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On Libertarian free will

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If given a choice between x and y, What would we assume the probability is of choosing X, given one had "libertarian free will"?

iIt seems intuitive to me we should expect a 50% probability, given a pure utterly free libertarian will. If you disagree, why?


And it seems a purely determined will would have a 100% probability of choosing either x or y.



And so a purely libertarian freedom appears to be reasonless random choices. And a purely determined 100% probability would,be a Newtonian causeefect kind of choice.

And any probability in between would be probabilistic, partially determined, and partially random.
 
Simpletruther said:
If given a choice between x and y, What would we assume the probability is of choosing X, given one had "libertarian free will"?

iIt seems intuitive to me we should expect a 50% probability, given a pure utterly free libertarian will. If you disagree, why?


And it seems a purely determined will would have a 100% probability of choosing either x or y.



And so a purely libertarian freedom appears to be reasonless random choices. And a purely determined 100% probability would,be a Newtonian causeefect kind of choice.

And any probability in between would be probabilistic, partially determined, and partially random.
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What?

IMO that would greatly depend on what constitutes the X and Y choices. For example, in an "eating" option with the choice being between a piece of fruit and a pile of dog poop...I'm thinking someone with "Libertarian free will" will choose Fruit over dog poop more than "50% of the time."

You parameters are too vague. Nor do they support in any sense "reasonless random choices." People typically (as with my example) make choices based on reason, not randomness.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
What?

IMO that would greatly depend on what constitutes the X and Y choices. For example, in an "eating" option with the choice being between a piece of fruit and a pile of dog poop...I'm thinking someone with "Libertarian free will" will choose Fruit over dog poop more than "50% of the time."

You parameters are too vague. Nor do they support in any sense "reasonless random choices." People typically (as with my example) make choices based on reason, not randomness.
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So it seems they are not entirely free.
 
Simpletruther said:
If given a choice between x and y, What would we assume the probability is of choosing X, given one had "libertarian free will"?

iIt seems intuitive to me we should expect a 50% probability, given a pure utterly free libertarian will. If you disagree, why?


And it seems a purely determined will would have a 100% probability of choosing either x or y.



And so a purely libertarian freedom appears to be reasonless random choices. And a purely determined 100% probability would,be a Newtonian causeefect kind of choice.

And any probability in between would be probabilistic, partially determined, and partially random.
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If I'm not a libertarian, do I still have free will?
 
I wish that everyone would adopt the dog poo diet.
 
Simpletruther said:
If given a choice between x and y, What would we assume the probability is of choosing X, given one had "libertarian free will"?

iIt seems intuitive to me we should expect a 50% probability, given a pure utterly free libertarian will. If you disagree, why?


And it seems a purely determined will would have a 100% probability of choosing either x or y.



And so a purely libertarian freedom appears to be reasonless random choices. And a purely determined 100% probability would,be a Newtonian causeefect kind of choice.

And any probability in between would be probabilistic, partially determined, and partially random.
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Simpletruther said:
I am stalling, hoping someone might be interested in the logical discussion.
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Thirty years ago, I would have enjoyed your "logic and language" exercise. However, I'm getting too old for this ****.

I will explain it this way, sonny. Once you awaken to the idea that most of society is just out there to rip people off, you get a different perspective. The dominant ideology is "something for nothing". That's why socialism and cultural Marxism are gaining popularity.
 
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SDET said:
Thirty years ago, I would have enjoyed your "logic and language" exercise. However, I'm getting too old for this ****.

I will explain it this way, sonny. Once you awaken to the idea that most of society is just out there to rip people off, you get a different perspective. The dominant ideology is "something for nothing". That's why socialism and cultural Marxism are gaining popularity.
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Not sure how the two topics tie together
 
The possible outcomes of buying a lottery ticket are either I win the jackpot or I do not win the jackpot, so the lottery has 50/50 odds.

Checks out.
 
Simpletruther said:
If given a choice between x and y, What would we assume the probability is of choosing X, given one had "libertarian free will"?

iIt seems intuitive to me we should expect a 50% probability, given a pure utterly free libertarian will. If you disagree, why?


And it seems a purely determined will would have a 100% probability of choosing either x or y.



And so a purely libertarian freedom appears to be reasonless random choices. And a purely determined 100% probability would,be a Newtonian causeefect kind of choice.

And any probability in between would be probabilistic, partially determined, and partially random.
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Bump for more discussion
 
Simpletruther said:
If given a choice between x and y, What would we assume the probability is of choosing X, given one had "libertarian free will"?

iIt seems intuitive to me we should expect a 50% probability, given a pure utterly free libertarian will. If you disagree, why?


And it seems a purely determined will would have a 100% probability of choosing either x or y.



And so a purely libertarian freedom appears to be reasonless random choices. And a purely determined 100% probability would,be a Newtonian causeefect kind of choice.

And any probability in between would be probabilistic, partially determined, and partially random.
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It is predestined that they believe so. They are caught in the trap of illusion.
 
RAMOSS said:
It is predestined that they believe so. They are caught in the trap of illusion.
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But it could be that they are also predestined to agree to my sound logic. :)
 
Simpletruther said:
But it could be that they are also predestined to agree to my sound logic. :)
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of course, the logic is not sound, but you are predestined to believe it is.
 
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