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Capitalism is Incompatible with Christianity

phattonez said:
No, I did that, when I introduced this thread, where I asked for a Christian justification for capitalism. You're the one who intruded and decided to make this a skepticism thread.
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If that was your intention, you did it in the wrong subforum
 
Aberration said:
Communism is great as long as it’s voluntary. I don’t know if it’s true historically, but kibbutz’s in Israel have been around for a long time, ai’d surprised if they didn’t exist pre-Christianity.
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Communism isn't ever great. Capitalism had been the source of incredible wealth and technological advancement. Without the desire for wealth and the fear of poverty people aren't going to reach their potential.
 
RAMOSS said:
And, the author of that is 'head of the texas public policy foundation'. Not a most unbiased opinion.
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Why don't you go live in one of those tent cities in California?
 
Logicman said:
Why don't you go live in one of those tent cities in California?
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Because I enjoy my house. I will also point out that when it comes to the poverty rate, there is a high poverty rate in Texas than there is in California. The poverty rate in Texas is 17.2%, while the poverty rate in California is 16.4%. That makes the premise of this nimnod to be what is known as 'a lie'
 
RAMOSS said:
Because I enjoy my house. I will also point out that when it comes to the poverty rate, there is a high poverty rate in Texas than there is in California. The poverty rate in Texas is 17.2%, while the poverty rate in California is 16.4%. That makes the premise of this nimnod to be what is known as 'a lie'
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That's a lie. The poverty rate in Texas is 14.7%. Texas Report - 2018 - Talk Poverty

And the poverty rate in California was 19%.

"Newly released federal estimates show California’s poverty rate remained the highest in the nation, despite a modest fall, and the state’s falling uninsured rate slowed for the first time since before Medicaid expansion. According to the Census Bureau, the share of Californians in poverty fell to 19 percent — a 1.4 percent decrease from last year." California’s poverty rate is still the highest in the US | The Sacramento Bee

By the way, if you liberals love socialism so much why don't you and Sean Penn go live in Venezuela? LOL!
 
Logicman said:
That's a lie. The poverty rate in Texas is 14.7%. Texas Report - 2018 - Talk Poverty

And the poverty rate in California was 19%.

"Newly released federal estimates show California’s poverty rate remained the highest in the nation, despite a modest fall, and the state’s falling uninsured rate slowed for the first time since before Medicaid expansion. According to the Census Bureau, the share of Californians in poverty fell to 19 percent — a 1.4 percent decrease from last year." California’s poverty rate is still the highest in the US | The Sacramento Bee

By the way, if you liberals love socialism so much why don't you and Sean Penn go live in Venezuela? LOL!
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This is the census data List of U.S. states and territories by poverty rate - Wikipedia
 
phattonez said:
No. Where did you get the idea that we have no responsibility toward our brothers? Is that what Jesus taught in the parable of the Good Samaritan?
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Minding our own affairs isn't saying that we shouldn't voluntarily help those who are in need.

However.....we volunteer ourselves and our own wealth - we do not "volunteer" other people's wealth! :lol:
Their wealth - and what they want to do with it, is not other people's business! That's their own affair!
That's Christian!



Jealousy and envy are sins, but so is avarice.
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That, still, doesn't make jealousy and covetousness okay.





"But woe to you that are rich, for you have received your consolation.

Woe to you that are full now, for you shall hunger."
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So? Christians know that. Let Christians use their free will! That's what's free will is for!
We have the free will to choose if we want to follow what's in the Scriptures or not.



Absolutely. Mammonism corrupts everyone, not just the rich. However, mammonism victimizes the poor, not the rich.
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The ultimate victims are those who practice mammonism! They're drawn farther from God!

We should set our eyes above the wealth of this world.....





I absolutely agree. The best charity is that practiced voluntarily. However, how is this a justification for permitting the avarice of the super wealthy?
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Lawmakers and leaders who permit it, will be the ones who'll have to answer to God. All we can do is use our critical thinking to vote for who and what we think is best for the nation.


I worry about the plight of the poor while people like the Waltons and Jeff Bezos have billions of dollars that they don't need all the while paying their workers a pittance (isn't there something about defrauding workers of their wages)?
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I don't know anything about Bezos or Waltons.....so, I cannot really say anything against them.
I could be committing slander - which too, is against God.

If they broke the law - sure, they should be held accountable in the court of law.
 
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phattonez said:
I'm not arguing that socialism is okay. I'm arguing that capitalism isn't okay either. Capitalism allows limitless avarice and usury. Both of those are condemned by God.
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Capitalism is a good system.....if practiced fairly. Greed, is a very powerful desire.
How to make it fair for everyone, is the task to challenge any leaders.

Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's, and to God the things that are God's.


When Jesus said, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s,” He was drawing a sharp distinction between two kingdoms. There is a kingdom of this world, and Caesar holds power over it. But there is another kingdom, not of this world, and Jesus is King of that (John 18:36). Christians are part of both kingdoms, at least temporarily. Under Caesar, we have certain obligations that involve material things. Under Christ, we have other obligations that involve things eternal.

If Caesar demands money, give it to him—it’s only mammon. But make sure you also give God what He demands.
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What did Jesus mean when He said, “Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s”?


We shouldn't be so bent out of shape over capitalism - or, who gets rich from it, etc..,
Like it says - it's only money! We have to look past that!
 
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tosca1 said:
Minding our own affairs isn't saying that we shouldn't voluntarily help those who are in need.

However.....we volunteer ourselves and our own wealth - we do not "volunteer" other people's wealth! :lol:
Their wealth - and what they want to do with it, is not other people's business! That's their own affair!
That's Christian!
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Actually it is. That's exactly the point of the parable of the Good Samaritan. We are our brother's keeper. We have to encourage them to live a morally. We cannot leave them near death in their own sins. This idea that people can do whatever they want, that we have no responsibility to each other, does not come from Christianity. It comes from another religion, the one that Jesus was criticizing in that very parable.

That, still, doesn't make jealousy and covetousness okay.
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You are implying that wanting to rectify the avarice of another is jealousy. That's not true. If you want to be wealthy yourself then yes, it's jealousy. Wanting to keep another away from sin? That's righteous.
So? Christians know that. Let Christians use their free will! That's what's free will is for!
We have the free will to choose if we want to follow what's in the Scriptures or not.
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And we also have the free will to keep people from falling into these sins. We cannot do nothing.

The ultimate victims are those who practice mammonism! They're drawn farther from God!

We should set our eyes above the wealth of this world.....
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Then we should be helping the rich get away from mammonism by preventing them from accumulating more rich by exploiting the poor. Let's start with simple stuff like payday loans at 400% interest. That's obvious evil. Let's make it illegal.

I don't know anything about Bezos or Waltons.....so, I cannot really say anything against them.
I could be committing slander - which too, is against God.

If they broke the law - sure, they should be held accountable in the court of law.
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They have hundreds of billions of dollars while paying their employees near minimum wage. What does the Bible say about defrauding labor of their just wages?
 
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