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Karma - Is it real

And then there's this...Krishna is based on lies...

Common False Claims: (1) Krishna was born of the virgin Devaki / Devaka /Yasoda (2) on December 25th and was (3) crucified (4) between two thieves (5) for our sins,2 (6) rose from the dead and ascended into heaven, and (7) and he was born/died c. 1200 BC.

The Real Story:

(1) Krishna wasthe 8th son ofVasudeva and Devaki. The name of their first son was Kirtiman.3 The BP credits the pregnancy to “mental transmission”4 through the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki. That detail is from a late source (c. 950 AD), does not really represent a virgin birth, since Devaki was not a virgin, and is not present in the earlier accounts of Krishna’s birth in the H (c. 450 AD) and VP (c. 400-500 AD). The names Devaka (used by Christopher Hitchens and the source he plagiarized5) and Yasoda (used by Kersey Graves6) are errors deriving from a basic ignorance of the story.

(2) The celebration of Krishna’s birthday is one of the most prominent festivals in India, which takes place in the late summer or early fall (Bhadra in the North of India, Shravana in the South).7 The idea that that his birthday was celebrated on December 25 derives from no other source than ignorant and/or dishonest English-speaking “Freethinkers” who falsely claimed that Shravana “answers to our December.”8

(3) Krishna was not crucified. He died when the hunter Jara shot him in the sole of his foot. In most stories it was said to be an accident9; in one story, Jara was actually a demon getting revenge for being killed by Krishna in a previous life.10 The reason Krishna died the way he did was that with the exception of the soles of his feet his body was invincible due to a boon granted him by the sage Durvāsas.11

(4) Crucified between two thieves? Nothing like that at all in the authentic Hindu sources.

(5) Krishna died not for our sins but in fulfillment of two curses made against him and his clan: (i) the curse of the widow Gandhari, for not stopping the battle in which her husband Dhritarashtra died,12 and (ii) the curse of the Brahmanas, for a stunt Krishna’s son, Samba, played on some holy men.13

(6) Krishna’s spirit does ascend, but his body remains on earth and is cremated.14

(7) The date 1200 BC as the time of Krishna’s birth/death is not correct.15 Traditionally Krishna’s death took place just around 3100 BC, marking the beginning of the Age of Kali.16
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Krishna and Christ: Debunking the Parallels between Jesus and Krishna | Biblical Christianity
 
RAMOSS said:
but can you show that Jesus was correct?
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RAMOSS said:
That whole argument suffers from the logical fallacies of 'begging the question' for one. It makes the assumption the bible is the proper scripture without backing it up an d then quotes from the bible to 'prove' that. If you boil down everything in the rather verbose paragraph it boils down to 'because I said so'
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IMO, she responded with Mumbo Jumbo, not proof. Skepticism won!
 
Dragonfly said:
Holy F'n Crap!!!! I'm supremely shocked!!! Shocked I tell you!!!

How much time did you spend finding something to cut-n-paste from a source that's so NOT totally biased and slanted towards christianity????

Must have taken you forever.

/sarcasm
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Typical...attacking the messenger instead of the message...:roll:
 
Elvira said:
Typical...attacking the messenger instead of the message...:roll:
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IN this case, it is pointing out that the source is biased , and is making the logical fallacy known as 'argument from personal belief', and 'red herring' It begins with the assumption that the bible is true and accurate, quotes from it, and then comes to the conclusion it's the bible that is true, and the other sources are false.
 
RAMOSS said:
IN this case, it is pointing out that the source is biased , and is making the logical fallacy known as 'argument from personal belief', and 'red herring' It begins with the assumption that the bible is true and accurate, quotes from it, and then comes to the conclusion it's the bible that is true, and the other sources are false.
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If that's what you got out of it, you didn't read it...
 
Elvira said:
If that's what you got out of it, you didn't read it...
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Why, yes I did read it. I also saw it's flaws. Did you see the flaws in it's argument?
 
Elvira said:
Typical...attacking the messenger instead of the message...:roll:
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Because the level of "evidence" you post is equivalent to a KKK member posting "evidence" of white superiority from something published by the KKK itself.

Christians say non-christian religions are false.
Non-christian's say christianity is false.

I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Hindu version of Elvira living in India.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Muslim version of Elvira living in Iraq.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Mormon version of Elvira living in Utah.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Jewish version of Elvira living in Israel.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Shinto version of Elvira living in Japan.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Buddhist version of Elvira living in China.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Catholic version of Elvira living in Spain.

Each version of Elvira above, has equally the same passion, commitment, drive, and strength of faith YOU have regarding their religious belief.

Can all those versions be right? Are most or all of them following a false religion?
How would you debate the devout Muslim version of you? For every bible verse you throw, they respond with something from the Quran.

Without using the bible, the Watchtower, or any holy book at all, prove which religions are false.
You say other religions are false. They say yours is false.

Stalemate.
 
Dragonfly said:
Because the level of "evidence" you post is equivalent to a KKK member posting "evidence" of white superiority from something published by the KKK itself.

Christians say non-christian religions are false.
Non-christian's say christianity is false.

I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Hindu version of Elvira living in India.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Muslim version of Elvira living in Iraq.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Mormon version of Elvira living in Utah.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Jewish version of Elvira living in Israel.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Shinto version of Elvira living in Japan.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Buddhist version of Elvira living in China.
I can almost guarantee without question that there's a Catholic version of Elvira living in Spain.

Each version of Elvira above, has equally the same passion, commitment, drive, and strength of faith YOU have regarding their religious belief.

Can all those versions be right? Are most or all of them following a false religion?
How would you debate the devout Muslim version of you? For every bible verse you throw, they respond with something from the Quran.

Without using the bible, the Watchtower, or any holy book at all, prove which religions are false.
You say other religions are false. They say yours is false.

Stalemate.
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Of course not because many of them contradict one another but you can rest assured that ONE of them is right...religious beliefs rely a great deal on the religious writings they were founded on so stop demanding support of any of them without referring to the writings themselves that support them...that's just stupid on your part...
 
Elvira said:
Of course not because many of them contradict one another but you can rest assured that ONE of them is right...religious beliefs rely a great deal on the religious writings they were founded on so stop demanding support of any of them without referring to the writings themselves that support them...that's just stupid on your part...
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Why?? Why should any of them be right?
 
Elvira said:
you can rest assured that ONE of them is right..
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Nope. Not even close.

No reason to believe any of them are right.

Human writings are worthless when it comes to faith.
We've already agreed that faith can easily lead people down the wrong path.
Humans are fallible, therefore human writings are fallible.
Humans are corrupt, therefore human writings can be corrupt.
Humans lie, therefore human writings can lie.
 
OlNate said:
:) Thanks, guys. It went great - think I might have got it...now the waiting game.
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My inquiring mind wants to know if you "got it" yet?

Wishing you and yours the Good Karma!
 
Trippy Trekker said:
My inquiring mind wants to know if you "got it" yet?

Wishing you and yours the Good Karma!
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haha...I'm too much of an asshole in here to subscribe to karma... ;)

Still waiting, brother...thanks for checking in. :)
 
Dragonfly said:
Do you believe in Karma?

Is it a real thing?

Instant? Almost instant? Long term?

I don't believe in the re-birth kind of Karma, but occasionally the more instant kinds of Karma are fun to witness.
What goes around comes around kinda thing.

What do you think?

Where do you fall on the whole "karma" thing?
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Nope, no such thing as Karma. Nice idea but does not exist.
 
Dragonfly said:
Do you believe in Karma?
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I believe in psychological Karma in that when you do something you know to be wrong it will haunt you and weigh on you causing negative reactions, and when you do something positive I think it can make you feel good about yourself which can lead to good things.

I also believe in societal Karma in that over time if you **** with too many people eventually it catches up to you. You may not go to prison, but you will lose out on opportunities, you will get a bad reputation, and you will not get the most out of your relationships.

Nothing Magical about it though.
 
MrWonka said:
I believe in psychological Karma in that when you do something you know to be wrong it will haunt you and weigh on you causing negative reactions,
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So guilt = karma?
I can see that on some level, although it appears that many many people have no ability to feel guilty.


MrWonka said:
I also believe in societal Karma in that over time if you **** with too many people eventually it catches up to you. You may not go to prison, but you will lose out on opportunities, you will get a bad reputation, and you will not get the most out of your relationships.

Nothing Magical about it though.
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This part makes perfect sense.
 
MrWonka said:
I believe in psychological Karma in that when you do something you know to be wrong it will haunt you and weigh on you causing negative reactions, and when you do something positive I think it can make you feel good about yourself which can lead to good things.

I also believe in societal Karma in that over time if you **** with too many people eventually it catches up to you. You may not go to prison, but you will lose out on opportunities, you will get a bad reputation, and you will not get the most out of your relationships.

Nothing Magical about it though.
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Or you may be elected president and be rich and get all the women you want.
 
Dragonfly said:
Do you believe in Karma?

Is it a real thing?

Instant? Almost instant? Long term?

I don't believe in the re-birth kind of Karma, but occasionally the more instant kinds of Karma are fun to witness.
What goes around comes around kinda thing.

What do you think?

Where do you fall on the whole "karma" thing?
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I don't believe in karma.

I also don't believe that what misfortunes come to us, is punishment from God.
Good people suffer, too. It rains on everyone.
 
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