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Is religion about avoiding reality?

Ouroboros said:
What in the world is a "god-bother?"

Is it supposed to be a pun on something else?

Have to say, if you have to explain your puns, you're maybe not doing it right.
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Nobody else has needed this explanation so just for you;

God-botherer:- A person who prays to God with requests for intervention into the real world frequently. The sort of thing that would bother you if you were on the receiving end of it. Assuming, of course, the method of communication worked at all, or there was something on that receiving end at all.
 
zyzygy said:
It's not a pun.

Definition of 'God-botherer'
English: God-botherer
God-botherer in British
(ˈɡɒdˌbɒðərə )
noun
informal
an over-zealous Christian
God-botherer definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
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Ah, you got there first!

I would include all of those who needlessly bother the chap with any requests. After all he chose to give you cancer why do you think he will save you now just because you ask? You have been a good christian havn't you so why do you think your death has not been sanctioned by him already?
 
Tim the plumber said:
Ah, you got there first!

I would include all of those who needlessly bother the chap with any requests. After all he chose to give you cancer why do you think he will save you now just because you ask? You have been a good christian havn't you so why do you think your death has not been sanctioned by him already?
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Jehovah God chose nothing of the sort, Adam chose to disobey God, therefore he brought sin and death into the world...common sense tells you that includes disease...

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned." Romans 5:12
 
Elvira said:
Jehovah God chose nothing of the sort, Adam chose to disobey God, therefore he brought sin and death into the world...common sense tells you that includes disease...

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned." Romans 5:12
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Flawed creation, who jahweh knew would partake of the apple when he created him. If jahweh is actually omniscient, knows the beginning and end of all things.

And knew Satan would try to trick them but didn't bother to warn his innocent creations.
 
Elvira said:
Jehovah God chose nothing of the sort, Adam chose to disobey God, therefore he brought sin and death into the world...common sense tells you that includes disease...

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned." Romans 5:12
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I prefer to blame it on Cain.

 
Elvira said:
Jehovah God chose nothing of the sort, Adam chose to disobey God, therefore he brought sin and death into the world...common sense tells you that includes disease...

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned." Romans 5:12
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Looks like your god really likes to torture and kill humans whenever he can.

An omniscient deity who just sits back and watches his creation do stupid stuff for no good reason and he doesn't bother to intervene, with the exception of that time when he killed off most of humanity, unlike actual caring parents

Omniscient: adjective . . . knowing everything.
 
Elvira said:
Jehovah God chose nothing of the sort, Adam chose to disobey God, therefore he brought sin and death into the world
"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned." Romans 5:12
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By that logic, every time we incarcerate someone for being a criminal, we should throw the rest of his/her family in prison with them, any living relatives, and any future descendants.

God's example of how to handle civil disobedience.
 
GodlessBrandy said:
By that logic, every time we incarcerate someone for being a criminal, we should throw the rest of his/her family in prison with them, any living relatives, and any future descendants.

God's example of how to handle civil disobedience.
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It is called perfect justice...Deuteronomy 32:3,4...

"...death spread to all men because they had all sinned."

If you can find a man who has not sinned, then you have found a man who is exempt from that perfect law...
 
Elvira said:
It is called perfect justice
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Then, as I am sure, at some point in the present or past some person related to you has broken the law, that you immediately turn yourself into the local authorities, confess, and have yourself incarcerated.
 
GodlessBrandy said:
Then, as I am sure, at some point in the present or past some person related to you has broken the law, that you immediately turn yourself into the local authorities, confess, and have yourself incarcerated.
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I am not talking about man's law but God's perfect law...that is why we all die...
 
Elvira said:
I am not talking about man's law but God's perfect law...that is why we all die...
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And thank God we do. Immortality would be a terrible burden to be lumbered with.
 
kitsune said:
Immortality would be a terrible burden to be lumbered with.
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Immorality gets burnt up in derision, forgotten. Love lives forever.
 
Elvira said:
I am not talking about man's law but God's perfect law...that is why we all die...
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Actually what you said was the reason we suffer is because we are being punished for the sins of Adam. And this is god's perfect law. To which I responded by saying you should follow god's perfect example and have yourself incarcerated for the sins of your present or past relatives.

I never asked you to follow man's law, I asked you to show your favor to god by following his perfect example.
 
ecofarm said:
Immorality gets burnt up in derision, forgotten. Love lives forever.
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The kind of immortality we've talked about is lovely and good. The kind of immortality they are talking about it little more than eternal life in first class in a plane that will never ever land.
 
kitsune said:
The kind of immortality we've talked about is lovely and good. The kind of immortality they are talking about it little more than eternal life in first class in a plane that will never ever land.
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I mean real immorality. Negativity, harming people, dishonesty. Not love between people; that's God.
 
kitsune said:
And thank God we do. Immortality would be a terrible burden to be lumbered with.
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You say that only because you don't know what it is like to live a perfect life in perfect conditions, without sin and death...that was God's original purpose for man, to live on a paradise earth forever...

Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

His purpose for mankind has not changed...it will be fulfilled...

"So my word that goes out of my mouth will be.
It will not return to me without results,
But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight,
And it will have sure success in what I send it to do." Isaiah 55:11

"Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more;
You will look at where they were,
And they will not be there.
But the meek will possess the earth,
And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace." Psalm 37:10,11
 
GodlessBrandy said:
Actually what you said was the reason we suffer is because we are being punished for the sins of Adam. And this is god's perfect law. To which I responded by saying you should follow god's perfect example and have yourself incarcerated for the sins of your present or past relatives.

I never asked you to follow man's law, I asked you to show your favor to god by following his perfect example.
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I am not perfect, therefore I cannot fulfill a perfect law...only God can...
 
Elvira said:
I am not perfect, therefore I cannot fulfill a perfect law...only God can...
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I am not asking you to fulfill perfect law, just to follow it's perfect example.

You see this is the very issue with all people who believe in Religion, they do not practice it in it's entirety, they pick and choose what they will do, or follow, or believe. I would have more respect and admiration for the person who follows their Religion to the letter, even if I wholeheartedly disagree with them, than for the mass of fickle religious people who claim to be religious.

When I start seeing Christians plucking out their eyes, I will then stand in awe of their devotion.
 
Elvira said:
You say that only because you don't know what it is like to live a perfect life in perfect conditions, without sin and death...that was God's original purpose for man, to live on a paradise earth forever...

Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:28

His purpose for mankind has not changed...it will be fulfilled...

"So my word that goes out of my mouth will be.
It will not return to me without results,
But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight,
And it will have sure success in what I send it to do." Isaiah 55:11

"Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more;
You will look at where they were,
And they will not be there.
But the meek will possess the earth,
And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace." Psalm 37:10,11
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Elvira, I think if I were to live a perfect life in perfect conditions I would not longer be human, I would cease to have any reason to continue. It is the times we spend in the vale of tears that gives our lives meaning an balance.
 
GodlessBrandy said:
I am not asking you to fulfill perfect law, just to follow it's perfect example.

You see this is the very issue with all people who believe in Religion, they do not practice it in it's entirety, they pick and choose what they will do, or follow, or believe. I would have more respect and admiration for the person who follows their Religion to the letter, even if I wholeheartedly disagree with them, than for the mass of fickle religious people who claim to be religious.

When I start seeing Christians plucking out their eyes, I will then stand in awe of their devotion.
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No one can nor does any imperfect human have that right...only Jehovah God can...right now, Christians are under the law of love because we are all in the same sinful boat...

“‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.” Matthew 22:37-40
 
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kitsune said:
Elvira, I think if I were to live a perfect life in perfect conditions I would not longer be human, I would cease to have any reason to continue. It is the times we spend in the vale of tears that gives our lives meaning an balance.
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Adam and Eve were perfect...until they disobeyed...they would still be here if they had not sinned...

"But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” Genesis 2:17

"But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” Genesis 3:3
 
Elvira said:
No one can nor does any imperfect human have that right
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The right to actually practice the religion they claim to believe? Excuses to avoid having to do the difficult things while defending the easy things.
 
GodlessBrandy said:
The right to actually practice the religion they claim to believe? Excuses to avoid having to do the difficult things while defending the easy things.
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Unlike demanding, judgmental, humans, Jehovah does not expect the impossible of His followers...
 
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