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Is religion about avoiding reality?

Logicman said:
<facepalm>

You non-believers are the ones who hate the reality of the resurrected Jesus Christ.

And the reason? If you believed then you'd have to admit you're sinners, repent of your sins, and get off your lofty thrones and let Christ/God take his place there and be Lord of your lives.
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It's probably closer to it to say that they would have to admit they're not God
 
zyzygy said:
It wasn't near during two world wars or when the plague was raging so I doubt if we are near the end.
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According to AOC, we're down to about 11 years to go.

I do not concur.



 
code1211 said:
What is it about what I wrote that makes you think I believe the end is near?
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You said this:

code1211 said:
I've always felt that Christ was sent to straighten out the mess left by the poor interpretation of God's word by the prophets.

If that was the case, we are probably about due for another visit. Sadly, the result of a present day visit would probably be about the same as the Biblical one.
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The return of JC, if the bible prophecy is correct will be the end. Won't it?

At any rate, let me rephrase my question.

Why do you think we are we probably due for another visit?
 
zyzygy said:
I cannot experience it? So you have experienced it? You said that we could not experience it. The subways of New York are real, you can visit them. Gods, not so much.
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If you have experienced it, then you have not. I'll take your word for it. As I said, I'm not here to change anything in your belief system of life. I can't do it and you should not allow it.

I have experienced the impact of divine intervention and have not experienced the Subways of New York. I've seen movies about the Subways and about God.

Also, I've seen movies about Star Wars and King Kong, but that's altogether different. In my life, neither Jedis nor large monkeys have intervened. Same as the Subways.

For me, the Divine that actually impacted my life is more real than the Subways, Jedis or Monkeys that never have impacted my life. In your life, it may be different.
 
zyzygy said:
That poem sounds very much like the Deepak Chopra nonsense.
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Physics sounds like nonsense to me.

The world exists, though, doesn't it.

I prefer poetry to mathematics.

Euclid gave way to Newton gave way to Einstein gave way to Hawking. I'm pretty sure the process goes on.

In the meantime, God smiles at their efforts to understand what he knows.
 
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zyzygy said:
Your subjective experiences are not proof. I don't need a god to get through life. Whatever floats your boat.
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I am not trying to prove anything.

All I am doing is relating that which is real to me.

My only only promise to you is that anything that touches you will be real to you.
 
code1211 said:
Physics sounds like nonsense to me.

The world exists, though, doesn't it.

I prefer poetry to mathematics.

Euclid gave way to Newton game way to Einstein gave way to Hawking. I'm pretty sure the process goes on.

In the meantime, God smiles at their efforts to understand what he knows.
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lol, but poignant none the less
 
zyzygy said:
Re the end times. I have two grandchildren, six and ten. Am I supposed to tell them not to bother studying or building up a good life?
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If I was you and your situation allows, I'd set up a a college fund for both.

Something you can probably believe in is the certainty of the rising cost of education given the avarice and greed of our educators.

What Is a 529 Plan?
 
Dragonfly said:
You said this:



The return of JC, if the bible prophecy is correct will be the end. Won't it?

At any rate, let me rephrase my question.

Why do you think we are we probably due for another visit?
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I mused that the visit by Christ before was to straighten out the mess left by those who misinterpreted His previous instructions.

Moses said to stone the Woman and Christ asked that those without sin should cast the first stone. Seems like a pretty wide variance in the instruction in this particular response to sinning.

The previous misinterpretations could have been the basis of the visit. Kind of like arriving at work at the Branch Office and finding the auditor in your office. Startling!

Anyway, if the purpose of the previous visit was to straighten out the misinterpretations, then another visit seems likely. Of course, I could be very, very wrong.

I make no claim to being a prophet and DO lay claim to knowing nothing outside of my own personal experience.
 
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Elvira said:
“I would not expect religion to be the right tool for sequencing the human genome and by the same token would not expect science to be the means to approaching the supernatural. But on the really interesting larger questions, such as ‘Why are we here?’ or ‘Why do human beings long for spirituality?,’ I find science unsatisfactory. Many superstitions have come into existence and then faded away. Faith has not, which suggests it has reality.” - Molecular biologist Francis Collins
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So when we want to examine the process of how the universe came to be how it is, you are good with looking at the results of astronomy and agree that the universe is 13+ billion years old and started from a small thing and has expanded then?

OK, so why do others claim that it is not true?
 
code1211 said:
When I was much younger, I had many friends who were genius level intellects. I think they enjoyed the comic relief...

They had access to various brainy things that I could never reach, but that didn't mean that I denied the existence of Physics or Science.

As I have aged, I am absolutely certain that there is a higher power that has taken an interest in me and that is helping me to be a better version of me.

I embrace this higher power as a part of reality. I deny neither reality nor the higher power and embrace both as parts of the whole. I am equally amazed and impressed by both as I continue to live and learn.

The speaker in the posted video presents a gloomy view of the higher power. Of course, most religions do as well.

In regard to the thread's title, is religion about avoiding reality? It probably is. I've always felt that Christ was sent to straighten out the mess left by the poor interpretation of God's word by the prophets.

If that was the case, we are probably about due for another visit. Sadly, the result of a present day visit would probably be about the same as the Biblical one.

I wonder how the Vatican would respond today regarding a Jew in the Middle East claiming to be the Son of God... Same question regarding the UN and all of the countries and other religions as well.
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OK, so if we take you as somebody who does understand that the earth is a sphere and that the universe is billions of years old, that humans are part of the ape family etc.

Why do so many others refuse to accept such obvious things? What is going on in their heads?
 
Dragonfly said:
You said this:



The return of JC, if the bible prophecy is correct will be the end. Won't it?

At any rate, let me rephrase my question.

Why do you think we are we probably due for another visit?
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“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place…“ (Mark 13:26-30)

He's a bit late.
 
code1211 said:
Religion and belief are two different things.

Are you citing both as being the same thing?
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At some point in order to have more than a belief in some sort of Jedi Force of Life thing you will need some sort of religion/theology. Even Jedi has that to a degree. Some level of defined ideas to believe in. That makes it a religion.
 
code1211 said:
Physics sounds like nonsense to me.

The world exists, though, doesn't it.

I prefer poetry to mathematics.

Euclid gave way to Newton gave way to Einstein gave way to Hawking. I'm pretty sure the process goes on.

In the meantime, God smiles at their efforts to understand what he knows.
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An imaginary god, in my view. Wishful thinking.
 
code1211 said:
Belief in "The Big Bang" excludes belief in a Supreme Power?

It seems like the existence of matter, energy and thought could all exist together with none automatically excluding the existence of either or both of the other two.

All of the three most certainly coexist right now.
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I personally don't see any evidence that expressly excludes the possibility of some sort of creator of the universe. I put it in the same category as Space Dragons with laser eyes. Just made up drivel. But that does not mean that it is impossible.

The thing with lots of religious types, especially the more ardent, is the refusal to look at the real world. The refusal to look at the deep field image because it will cause them to understand just how big and old the universe is. To know just how insignificant earth is. Kind of makes the claim that humanity is special look weak. So they will close their minds to it.
 
Tim the plumber said:
So when we want to examine the process of how the universe came to be how it is, you are good with looking at the results of astronomy and agree that the universe is 13+ billion years old and started from a small thing and has expanded then?

OK, so why do others claim that it is not true?
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Don't know...I'm not inside their head...
 
Logicman said:
<facepalm>

You non-believers are the ones who hate the reality of the resurrected Jesus Christ.

And the reason? If you believed then you'd have to admit you're sinners, repent of your sins, and get off your lofty thrones and let Christ/God take his place there and be Lord of your lives.
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Your posts are a constant reminder of the futility of trying to engage in discussion with the religious.
 
Saying that we will get another visit from Jesus is not logical. The Bible contradicts that view.
 
Tim the plumber said:
I personally don't see any evidence that expressly excludes the possibility of some sort of creator of the universe. I put it in the same category as Space Dragons with laser eyes. Just made up drivel. But that does not mean that it is impossible.

The thing with lots of religious types, especially the more ardent, is the refusal to look at the real world. The refusal to look at the deep field image because it will cause them to understand just how big and old the universe is. To know just how insignificant earth is. Kind of makes the claim that humanity is special look weak. So they will close their minds to it.
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Humanity is in no way special, outside of the fact of being a minute part of creation...David recognized that fact all too well while looking up at the night sky and realizing just how small and inadequate man really is...which is only the more reason to be eternally grateful to our Creator, Jehovah God for paying attention to us...

"When I see your sky, the work of your fingers, moon and stars that you have set, What is man that you should remember him, any of humankind that you should attend to him?" Psalm 8:3,4
 
code1211 said:
I'm not privy to the logic or thinking of God. I only have my own little comfort zone that helps me to cope.

In my case, when I have sent hopes Heavenward and have experienced direct changes in my life that seem to be responses, that's good enough for me.

That said, my experience means nothing to you just as the experience of others means nothing to me. I am, however, absolutely certain in my certainty.

I am equally certain that my certainty entitles me to nothing from you or anyone else.

For me, religion is a social thing and belief is an intensely and exclusively personal thing.
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Are you saying that all your prayers have been granted? That is what your second sentence implies. So why do you not pray that all serious childhood diseases be eliminated - and sit back and watch the closure of children's wards all over the world? Or is it that you are god's special favourite and the only 'direct changes' are in your own life.
 
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Tim the plumber said:
Do those who go all the way to the flat earth gibberish look down upon you for not being as committed as they are?
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Don't know, don't care...I care about truth and what God thinks of me...
 
Sweden said:
Are you saying that all your prayers have been granted? That is what your second sentence implies. So why do you not pray that all serious childhood diseases be eliminated - and sit back and watch the closurr of children's wards all over the world? Or is it that you are god's special favourite and the only 'direct changes' are in your own life.
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All prayers are not granted. Sometimes coincidence strikes and cherries are picked. Praying to a god to eliminate cancer in children would be a waste of time.
 
zyzygy said:
All prayers are not granted. Sometimes coincidence strikes and cherries are picked. Praying to a god to eliminate cancer in children would be a waste of time.
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Of course. But I am interested in our friend Code 1211's excuse for not eliminating all evil from the world. He need's a good one, seeing that all his prayers are answered.
 
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