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In your own words - What does "Atheist" mean?

Dragonfly said:
What does my perception/observation have to do with your ability to understand the meaning of a word or words you use????
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I was not talking about your perception/observation but mine, which you called ignorance...just stating what I see from atheists...
 
Elvira said:
I was not talking about your perception/observation but mine, which you called ignorance...just stating what I see from atheists...
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A) Do you understand the definition of ignorance?

B) Did you miss where I said it might have also been from malice?

C) What's your definition of atheist? <--maybe that'll clear things up
 
Dragonfly said:
Why can't you answer the question?
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Because it's irrelevant. You atheists seem to think we just glommed onto Christianity because it was the first thing that came along. No, I've put a lot of thought into this.
 
Dragonfly said:
A) Do you understand the definition of ignorance?

B) Did you miss where I said it might have also been from malice?

C) What's your definition of atheist? <--maybe that'll clear things up
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Do you understand that I merely stated what I see/observe coming from atheists? Like I said, if you don't like my definition, the best way to change that is to change your behaviour...I don't force anyone to believe what I believe...they can take it or leave it, I don't care...too bad atheists don't feel the same way, instead of calling believers, ignorant, stupid, foolish...the list goes on...
 
it's just me said:
Because it's irrelevant. You atheists seem to think we just glommed onto Christianity because it was the first thing that came along. No, I've put a lot of thought into this.
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Based on the post below, from you, it's completely relevant.

it's just me said:
There you go again - what "asinine claim of absolute fact" are you referring to? Or do you expect me to defend a claim when I don't know what it is?

I was just reading a thread where a couple of anonymous nobodies (you know who you are) were nitpicking R.C. Sproul, Ravi Zacarias, both world famous in their own right, with more education than 99% of the people on this forum have. They have made excellent t cases for the existence of God but the people on this forum don't even know what their arguments are because the have never heard or read them.

We will never convince atheists of anything because they think they know everything already. The only honest thing you can say in that eventuality is "I don't know" and they are not honest enough to do that.
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You've basically insulted atheists by insinuating they're not smart enough. Or that they are lazy. Or that they are "know it alls". Or all three.

Atheists don't need to know the arguments of those men, just as you don't need to know the arguments of the Hindu equivalents of those men.

You are actually just like the non-believer. We just reject one more god than you do.

What isn't true is that you're just "smarter", or more well read, or better educated, or less lazy.

You're just willing to accept things on faith. Which we've all agreed upon can in fact be wrong or false.
 
Dragonfly said:
Oh you sure do. :lamo
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Um, no I don't...I don't keep asking the incessant questions of atheists like you do of believers...you're only trying to convince everyone else to come over to your side on the belief spectrum...you're fooling no one...:lamo
 
Elvira said:
Um, no I don't...I don't keep asking the incessant questions of atheists like you do of believers...you're only trying to convince everyone else to come over to your side on the belief spectrum...you're fooling no one...:lamo
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Why won't you provide your definition of atheist? You're avoiding it like it's infected with a dangerous disease.
 
Dragonfly said:
Based on the post below, from you, it's completely relevant.



You've basically insulted atheists by insinuating they're not smart enough. Or that they are lazy. Or that they are "know it alls". Or all three.

Atheists don't need to know the arguments of those men, just as you don't need to know the arguments of the Hindu equivalents of those men.

You are actually just like the non-believer. We just reject one more god than you do.

What isn't true is that you're just "smarter", or more well read, or better educated, or less lazy.

You're just willing to accept things on faith. Which we've all agreed upon can in fact be wrong or false.
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I have atheists to thank for what I know about Christianity. Years ago they came, just like you, demanding answers and telling me i should "educate myself".

So I did. And what I found out is that there is a lot more to it than what you think, there is a lot more to it than what I think. There is more to it than whether or not the world was created in six days or whether Noah built a really big boat or how many Angel's can dance on the head of a pin. And I have read posts like yours for years, distorting our theology, talking down to us, playing word games.

Stupid? I don't know. Stubborn, maybe.
 
it's just me said:
I have atheists to thank for what I know about Christianity. Years ago they came, just like you, demanding answers and telling me i should "educate myself".

So I did. And what I found out is that there is a lot more to it than what you think, there is a lot more to it than what I think. And I have read posts like yours for years, distorting our theology, talking down to us, playing word games.

Stupid? I don't know. Stubborn, maybe.
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I didn't come to you.
I came to a world-wide open forum on the internet.
If anything, most recently you've been coming to me.:mrgreen:

I've never told you that you're going to burn in hell for all eternity.
Christians tend to say things like that of non-believers rather frequently.
 
Dragonfly said:
I didn't come to you.
I came to a world-wide open forum on the internet.
If anything, most recently you've been coming to me.:mrgreen:

I've never told you that you're going to burn in hell for all eternity.
Christians tend to say things like that of non-believers rather frequently.
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Well, guess what? I've never told you that, either.
 
Dragonfly said:
I didn't come to you.
I came to a world-wide open forum on the internet.
If anything, most recently you've been coming to me.:mrgreen:

I've never told you that you're going to burn in hell for all eternity.
Christians tend to say things like that of non-believers rather frequently.
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See, that right there is exactly where I get my perception of you...I will keep that in mind the next time you ask me a question...I'll remember that you really do not want an answer...and I'll oblige you...and I have never told you you are going to burn in hell, either...
 
In a philosophy class in college, I stated that I do not believe in the existence of deities. A women then stated "oh so you must believe in Satan".

She confused "believe in" to mean "to believe in the teachings of" vs. "believe in the existence of".

The world view of some people is such that they can't imagine a world without deities. That's why they are completely bewildered by Atheists.
 
noonereal said:
Someone who places reason above repetition and familiar ritual.
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And someone who looks at the lack of evidence and draws the obvious conclusion. A person who can deal with life without the crutch of religion.
 
zyzygy said:
And someone who looks at the lack of evidence and draws the obvious conclusion. A person who can deal with life without the crutch of religion.
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People are not objective. Never will be. No religious person is going to look at evidence objectively. They are going to look for thing that support what they believe and ignore what they don't believe.

Humans are a mess.
 
noonereal said:
People are not objective. Never will be. No religious person is going to look at evidence objectively. They are going to look for thing that support what they believe and ignore what they don't believe.

Humans are a mess.
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Isn't it a pity that the first humans didn't realize that volcanos, earthquakes and thunderstorms were natural processes?
 
it's just me said:
The reason I don't see it is because it's a red herring, just like the rest of your post.

And for your information, Ravi Zacharias was a Hindu himself at one time.
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And many believe he is a con man, not a 'bible believing Christian'

He also admitted to having 'beefed up' his credentials

 
Dragonfly said:
Since it's clear there's very few "believers" here who understand what "atheist" means or what "atheism" is, I'm interested in hearing how people define those words.

In your own words, can you please post what you think "atheist" means?
Or, in your own words, can you please post what "atheism" means?

For example:

Atheism is the lack of belief in a god, or gods.

or

An Atheist does not believe in a god or gods.


Which in now way, shape, or form says/states that an Atheist claims there is no god.
There's a difference between saying:

1) I don't believe in a god(s).

and

2) There is no god(s).


Now I'm sure there are some Atheists who might proclaim "There is no god.", but that's not most from what I've seen. It's a very select few.

Most will stop at making a declarative, non-provable statement like that.

The stance is more, "There's insufficient evidence of god(s), therefore I don't believe in them."

So tell me, how do you define "atheist" or "atheism"? (in your own words please)
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That is correct and honest educated objective people understand the facts you just posted...
only the extremists and nutballs will get all up in arms over the facts you posted but they arent taken seriously by normal people and their hypocrisy is greatly exposed.
 
zyzygy said:
Isn't it a pity that the first humans didn't realize that volcanos, earthquakes and thunderstorms were natural processes?
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It created a visual image of hell that we have had to endure from religious nuts for millenniums.
 
Elvira said:
Good grief, is your memory that short?:roll:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beli...hink-quote-true-not-why-3.html#post1069913588
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So you're sticking with this as Elvira's working definition?

Elvira said:
That's easy...someone who hates God, his followers, and everything He represents...:2razz:
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So it does come from ignorance. See, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and thinking you were just trying to make a joke.
The emoji threw me off. My mistake.

You should really go back to post number one and read it a few times.
Digest it a little. Then read it again.

If you actually read the words without your bias, you might actually get it. Maybe.
 
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