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Four Big Bangs That Kill Atheism

Elvira said:
Wrong...belief in God and His Word offers answers to questions...
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Many people who claim that come up with the wrong answers.
 
MrWonderful said:
“Four Big Bangs” That Kill Atheism
October 15, 2018 Daniel Currier

In a recent conversation with an atheist, I challenged him with four major topics his worldview can’t explain. I remembered them by using Frank Pastore’s nice mental hook, the “four big bangs” that materialism can’t explain.
1. The “Cosmological Big Bang”
2. The “Biological Big Bang”
3. The “Psychological Big Bang”
4. The “Moral Big Bang”

When atheists try to explain these away, there seems to be much hand waving and “just so” stories. I love lines like, “sure, we don’t know, but at least we’re humble because we admit we don’t know” or “at least we don’t believe in the God of the gaps.”
But I digress, each of these four items are predicated upon something, almost magically, the popping into existence of things when the wheel of time is spun.

1) The “Cosmological Big Bang”
This is the most fundamental issue the materialists struggle to explain. I want to be clear, I’m not talking about when the universe started to exist, rather that it did start to exist. Things are much more likely not to exist than to exist. They can’t explain why.
This “just so story” sounds like this: the universe popped into existence, like “poof”, and then expanded through eons of time. Sometimes the claim is that there was nothing and that nothing turned into everything, as in “no thing” or “not anything” caused it all. Nothing is actually what rocks think about. That radical view takes much faith, more than I can muster. Really, are you afraid a pink elephant just appeared in your fridge and now is eating your salad?
Others say “nothing” means “something.” Don’t worry if this misnomer confuses you, the rest of us are confused too. If it’s “something,” please stop calling it “nothing,” right? They say this “nothing” was a singularity, or “all the matter in the universe smashed into an incredibly hot, infinitely dense speck of matter.” Or was this “nothing” some sort of quantum vacuum?

“Four Big Bangs” That Kill Atheism – iApologia
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How exactly does something which does not exist get killed?
 
devildavid said:
That describes what happened, not why it happened.
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It tells God's purpose for mankind in creating him...to fulfill the earth and subdue it, with the hope of living forever on a paradise earth for as long as he is obedient...
 
Elvira said:
It tells God's purpose for mankind in creating him...to fulfill the earth and subdue it, with the hope of living forever on a paradise earth for as long as he is obedient...
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It doesn't say anything about man living forever or obedience. It doesn't explain what man is supposed to do to fulfill or subdue the earth. It does not explain why god created anything at all. God gives no reason for doing it.
 
RAMOSS said:
Many people who claim that come up with the wrong answers.
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I agree...some of them are not only wrong but ridiculously stupid...like eternal torment in hell...
 
devildavid said:
It doesn't say anything about man living forever or obedience. It doesn't explain what man is supposed to do to fulfill or subdue the earth. It does not explain why god created anything at all. God gives no reason for doing it.
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Yes, it does...
 
devildavid said:
It says nothing at all about living forever or obedience. God gives no reason for creating anything at all; he just does it.
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Tell me, do you have the power of reason? If so, what do you discern from this statement?

“From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”
 
Elvira said:
Tell me, do you have the power of reason? If so, what do you discern from this statement?

“From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”
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That was not in the quote you referred to.

That tells us nothing about why we are here. It has nothing to do with fulfilling and subduing the earth.
 
devildavid said:
That was not in the quote you referred to.

That tells us nothing about why we are here. It has nothing to do with fulfilling and subduing the earth.
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Are you going to answer or not?
 
Elvira said:
OK, I get it...you can't answer becasue you have no power of reason...
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So, you can't stick to the quote?

And you still can't answer why we are here. Nothing in genesis gives a reason for it. It just describes what happened but not why in general and not why for any particulars.
 
devildavid said:
So, you can't stick to the quote?

And you still can't answer why we are here. Nothing in genesis gives a reason for it. It just describes what happened but not why in general and not why for any particulars.
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That's ok, I understand you can't discern from reading the statement...no problem...
 
Elvira said:
That's ok, I understand you can't discern from reading the statement...no problem...
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And I understand there is no explanation of why we are here contained in the bible.
 
devildavid said:
And I understand there is no explanation of why we are here contained in the bible.
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Sure there is...you just have a problem with your power of reason...that's ok, don't feel bad...
 
Elvira said:
Sure there is...you just have a problem with your power of reason...that's ok, don't feel bad...
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No, you haven't presented evidence of an answer to why we are here in the bible. Your quotes don't address that question at all. You believe god made us. You have no explanation from god in the bible answering why he did.
 
devildavid said:
No, you haven't presented evidence of an answer to why we are here in the bible. Your quotes don't address that question at all. You believe god made us. You have no explanation from god in the bible answering why he did.
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Hey, I get it...some people have a problem with comprehending what they read, it's ok...
 
MrWonderful said:
“Four Big Bangs” That Kill Atheism
October 15, 2018 Daniel Currier

In a recent conversation with an atheist, I challenged him with four major topics his worldview can’t explain. I remembered them by using Frank Pastore’s nice mental hook, the “four big bangs” that materialism can’t explain.
1. The “Cosmological Big Bang”
2. The “Biological Big Bang”
3. The “Psychological Big Bang”
4. The “Moral Big Bang”

When atheists try to explain these away, there seems to be much hand waving and “just so” stories. I love lines like, “sure, we don’t know, but at least we’re humble because we admit we don’t know” or “at least we don’t believe in the God of the gaps.”
But I digress, each of these four items are predicated upon something, almost magically, the popping into existence of things when the wheel of time is spun.

1) The “Cosmological Big Bang”
This is the most fundamental issue the materialists struggle to explain. I want to be clear, I’m not talking about when the universe started to exist, rather that it did start to exist. Things are much more likely not to exist than to exist. They can’t explain why.
This “just so story” sounds like this: the universe popped into existence, like “poof”, and then expanded through eons of time. Sometimes the claim is that there was nothing and that nothing turned into everything, as in “no thing” or “not anything” caused it all. Nothing is actually what rocks think about. That radical view takes much faith, more than I can muster. Really, are you afraid a pink elephant just appeared in your fridge and now is eating your salad?
Others say “nothing” means “something.” Don’t worry if this misnomer confuses you, the rest of us are confused too. If it’s “something,” please stop calling it “nothing,” right? They say this “nothing” was a singularity, or “all the matter in the universe smashed into an incredibly hot, infinitely dense speck of matter.” Or was this “nothing” some sort of quantum vacuum?

“Four Big Bangs” That Kill Atheism – iApologia
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None of those argument are even remotely related to atheism.
 
Elvira said:
Sure there is...you just have a problem with your power of reason...that's ok, don't feel bad...
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It appears you are reading into the scripture rather than taking from it. Otherwise, you could use the words of scripture to expand upon and explain your claim. The fact you are unable to do that is strong evidence that your claims are null and void
 
MrWonderful said:
In a recent conversation with an atheist, I challenged him with four major topics his worldview can’t explain. I remembered them by using Frank Pastore’s nice mental hook, the “four big bangs” that materialism can’t explain.
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Atheism (even hard atheism) isn’t materialism. While these are perfectly reasonable questions, they have literally zero impact on the fact that I happen not to believe in the existence of any god or gods.

Nobody knows the full answers to any of those questions and therefore none of this supports any definitive conclusion, be that one which deny the existence of any gods or asserts the existence of a specific one.
 
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