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Four Big Bangs That Kill Atheism

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“Four Big Bangs” That Kill Atheism
October 15, 2018 Daniel Currier

In a recent conversation with an atheist, I challenged him with four major topics his worldview can’t explain. I remembered them by using Frank Pastore’s nice mental hook, the “four big bangs” that materialism can’t explain.
1. The “Cosmological Big Bang”
2. The “Biological Big Bang”
3. The “Psychological Big Bang”
4. The “Moral Big Bang”

When atheists try to explain these away, there seems to be much hand waving and “just so” stories. I love lines like, “sure, we don’t know, but at least we’re humble because we admit we don’t know” or “at least we don’t believe in the God of the gaps.”
But I digress, each of these four items are predicated upon something, almost magically, the popping into existence of things when the wheel of time is spun.

1) The “Cosmological Big Bang”
This is the most fundamental issue the materialists struggle to explain. I want to be clear, I’m not talking about when the universe started to exist, rather that it did start to exist. Things are much more likely not to exist than to exist. They can’t explain why.
This “just so story” sounds like this: the universe popped into existence, like “poof”, and then expanded through eons of time. Sometimes the claim is that there was nothing and that nothing turned into everything, as in “no thing” or “not anything” caused it all. Nothing is actually what rocks think about. That radical view takes much faith, more than I can muster. Really, are you afraid a pink elephant just appeared in your fridge and now is eating your salad?
Others say “nothing” means “something.” Don’t worry if this misnomer confuses you, the rest of us are confused too. If it’s “something,” please stop calling it “nothing,” right? They say this “nothing” was a singularity, or “all the matter in the universe smashed into an incredibly hot, infinitely dense speck of matter.” Or was this “nothing” some sort of quantum vacuum?

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“Four Big Bangs” That Kill Atheism
October 15, 2018 Daniel Currier

In a recent conversation with an atheist, I challenged him with four major topics his worldview can’t explain. I remembered them by using Frank Pastore’s nice mental hook, the “four big bangs” that materialism can’t explain.
1. The “Cosmological Big Bang”
2. The “Biological Big Bang”
3. The “Psychological Big Bang”
4. The “Moral Big Bang”

When atheists try to explain these away, there seems to be much hand waving and “just so” stories. I love lines like, “sure, we don’t know, but at least we’re humble because we admit we don’t know” or “at least we don’t believe in the God of the gaps.”
But I digress, each of these four items are predicated upon something, almost magically, the popping into existence of things when the wheel of time is spun.

1) The “Cosmological Big Bang”
This is the most fundamental issue the materialists struggle to explain. I want to be clear, I’m not talking about when the universe started to exist, rather that it did start to exist. Things are much more likely not to exist than to exist. They can’t explain why.
This “just so story” sounds like this: the universe popped into existence, like “poof”, and then expanded through eons of time. Sometimes the claim is that there was nothing and that nothing turned into everything, as in “no thing” or “not anything” caused it all. Nothing is actually what rocks think about. That radical view takes much faith, more than I can muster. Really, are you afraid a pink elephant just appeared in your fridge and now is eating your salad?
Others say “nothing” means “something.” Don’t worry if this misnomer confuses you, the rest of us are confused too. If it’s “something,” please stop calling it “nothing,” right? They say this “nothing” was a singularity, or “all the matter in the universe smashed into an incredibly hot, infinitely dense speck of matter.” Or was this “nothing” some sort of quantum vacuum?

The problem becomes exponentially worse when we understand that the universe is finely tuned. To explain what I mean by fine tuning, think of the International Space Station, or even your car, mower, vacuum or microwave. Even the simplest of these are finely tuned. Many things need to be just right or else the machine does not work. There are many more ways for machines not to work than to work.
The universe is no different, except for it is exponentially more finely tuned, the most complex structure known. So many constants need to be just right. If not, the universe, all the elements, our solar system, our sun and our earth would not exist. In addition, life on earth would not exist if these constraints were not tuned to be just right.
Examples of some of these constants include things like the strength of the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, the electromagnetic force and the gravitational constant.
Scientist and agnostic Robert Jastrow, says this in “The Enchanted Loom”:
“Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the Biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and Biblical accounts of Genesis are the same: the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy.”
We may disagree with some of his thoughts, but his main point is true; the evidence points to the biblical God. Simply put, from our experience, nothing ever makes something. Everything that begins to exist had a prior cause. Also, the fine tuning of the universe, like carburetors, cars and chainsaws, points to a fine tuner. Finely tuned things ultimately have an intelligent cause.



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I'm waiting with bated breath to see what you have to say about the "moral big bang".


OM
 
Just because something remains unexplained by science doesn't mean that one specific deity of one specific religion must therefore be responsible. The simplest explanation is the most likely, and positing a creator entity unnecessarily multiplies variables. All of these bangs are, in fact, more likely to be random or spontaneous events than they are to be the product of a vast hereto unknown source of power and intelligence.
 
It is weird and very sad to see somebody who clearly knows that his arguments are wrong, going to exposed as silly, show this in his first few words.

sure, we don’t know, but at least we’re humble because we admit we don’t know

Yeah, that's it.

But then again the narcissistic personality can rewrite the past from one instant to the next.

The narc also has to constantly show that the world revolves around themselves. Getting others emotional, causing them to respond in any way is fuel to them. They don't have other normal pleasure emotions just the drive to get a response from others. Fits 100% I think.

Anybody else have any thoughts on this?
 
4) The “Morality Big Bang”
Let me get this straight, we were some type of amoral animals, and through another poof of evolutionary generations, we now possess moral sensibilities?”

Close, but not complete. You left out intuitive primacy. At one time, even the foggy and indistinct mind of primitive man figured out that all events which occur, have causes. And since they couldn’t see what those causes were (nor in their primitive minds, understand them), they began to conceptualize unseen forces. This is how spirits and gods originated. They began assigning spiritual/god forms for everything. The sun, lightning, thunder, rain, etc. Even to this day, natural disasters (in legal and force-majeure terms) are referred to as “acts of God”. To survive these “spiritual” elements, primitive man had to learn how to mutually cooperate with each other; which in turn required leadership. Rules were established; “good” and “evil” were thus born. And as populations increased, and agrarian cultures were developed; so too were the needs for more determinate guidelines and rules to be established. So, in a nutshell, our species banded together in a collective effort to survive the elements, and in doing so learned to cooperate through mutually-advantageous rules and principles; aka morals. And all this occurred and was instilled long before the concept of monotheism emerged.


OM
 
What a silly argument
 
When are some people going to get over the fact there is no god.
 
When are some people going to get over the fact there is no god.

Probably at the same time that people get over the fact that they can't know for certain one way or the other.


OM
 
Four tiny puffs of hot air.
 
Probably at the same time that people get over the fact that they can't know for certain one way or the other.


OM

What about all the fossils of dinosaurs, did got create them before man?
 
“Four Big Bangs” That Kill Atheism
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In a recent conversation with an atheist, I challenged him with four major topics his worldview can’t explain. I remembered them by using Frank Pastore’s nice mental hook, the “four big bangs” that materialism can’t explain.
1. The “Cosmological Big Bang”
2. The “Biological Big Bang”
3. The “Psychological Big Bang”
4. The “Moral Big Bang”
...
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!

Wonderful thread, Wonderful.
 
Atheism says nothing about those so called bangs of the OP. Atheism is a lack of belief in god. Atheism does not purport to explain anything. Therefore, none of those things "kill" atheism.
 
Atheism says nothing about those so called bangs of the OP. Atheism is a lack of belief in god. Atheism does not purport to explain anything. Therefore, none of those things "kill" atheism.

True, because atheism offers no answers...only more questions...
 
Same goes for theism. So what? You got something against questions?

Wrong...belief in God and His Word offers answers to questions...
 
Wrong...belief in God and His Word offers answers to questions...

Ok....where would I find the answer to how the immune system functions? Or anything useful about the natural world?
 
Ok....where would I find the answer to how the immune system functions? Or anything useful about the natural world?

Petty questions compared to...why are we here? Why do we grow old and die? Why does God permit suffering and death? What happens when we die?
 
Petty questions compared to...why are we here? Why do we grow old and die? Why does God permit suffering and death? What happens when we die?

And how does belief in god answer any of those questions?
 
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