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Science Of The Bible

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So the ancients were unable to figure out that darkness was merely an absence of light.

Even when they blew a candle out.

They eventually figured it out, once they figured out how the sun truly operated. Before that though... not so much; just like all other natural phenomena.


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Do you people even know what a luminary is? For Pete's sakes, what idiots...:roll:

There are differing descriptions, two of which have possible applications to your statements.


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They eventually figured it out, once they figured out how the sun truly operated. Before that though... not so much; just like all other natural phenomena.


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Do we have any evidence of what they thought?
 
Do we have any evidence of what they thought?

I'd start with everything covered in all the textbooks issued between grade school and college, then work my way out.


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I'd start with everything covered in all the textbooks issued between grade school and college, then work my way out.


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I don't know that this is covered at all in school.
 
Do you know what it is?

Again with the insults. Is that a Christian trait?

Sure do...sorry you do not have access to a dictionary...or took science in school....
 
Sure do...sorry you do not have access to a dictionary...or took science in school....

Luminaries was not covers in science class. The dictionary has multiple definitions of the word. The sun is considered a luminary, by definition.
 
Luminaries was not covers in science class. The dictionary has multiple definitions of the word. The sun is considered a luminary, by definition.

Sure was hard enough to drag that outta ya...what backwoods school did you go to?
 
It’s a slanderous lie that all atheists believe that and an embarrassingly ironic when you clearly purport to hold the only key yourself.

It is a slanderous lie that you state I "clearly purport to hold the only key" myself. A slanderous lie, just you slanderously stated I said "all atheists believe that."
You can't even write one sentence that is coherent and true, and yet you call yourself "rational"? Not remotely are you.

The simple fact is that personal theology is irrelevant to scientific study of the universe. Lemaitre’s scientific achievements didn’t come about as a result of his religious belief nor did they come about despite his religious beliefs. The two aspects of his life remain separate.

The typical atheist narrative is quite the opposite of your admission above. How conveniently you "rationalists" move the goalposts when it suits you, which is to say, when you have been caught in another of your Big Lies.

Atheists, IN GENERAL, of course, make the boldest claims of their/your intellects, morality, scientism, rationality, and all things good. But IF you were all the things you claim, you would not be vulgar and hateful and accusatory as is the case on virtually every atheist website and every religious website which is of course invaded by atheists under the guise of "free speech." But let a Christian post anything on an atheist website, and it's instantly attacked as "spamming" and "trolling." The hypocrisy of atheists and Leftists is sickening, unintelligent, and irrational.

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...it is laughably and embarrassingly WRONG.

Why don't you address the specifics I presented in the OP?

You Leftists are very fond of positing one hateful generalization in response to paragraphs, chapters, and books of information which you can't refute except by calling those of us you hate "stupid" and "wrong." That is very unintelligent and irrational of you, but it never changes.
 
Bible science is a joke.
 
Why don't you address the specifics I presented in the OP?

You Leftists are very fond of positing one hateful generalization in response to paragraphs, chapters, and books of information which you can't refute except by calling those of us you hate "stupid" and "wrong." That is very unintelligent and irrational of you, but it never changes.



Well you know, I could spend half an hour or so listing the ridiculous "explanations" of things that you read in the Bible...


Parting of the Red Sea

Noah's Ark

How the Tower of Babel explains how languages formed

How you can go to a very tall mountain and see the whole world

How stars are pin pricks of light that can and will fall to the Earth




But why bother wasting half an hour of my life to regurgitate what is already known?


Why don't you instead give me one piece of text from the Bible that you think can stand as anything like "good science" ?
 
Sure was hard enough to drag that outta ya...what backwoods school did you go to?

So what was your point about the word luminary?

And once again with an insult. Apparently your religious belief does nothing to deter you from this.
 
So what was your point about the word luminary?

And once again with an insult. Apparently your religious belief does nothing to deter you from this.

Jehovah will punish her.
 
Well you know, I could spend half an hour or so listing the ridiculous "explanations" of things that you read in the Bible...

Parting of the Red Sea
Noah's Ark
How the Tower of Babel explains how languages formed
How you can go to a very tall mountain and see the whole world

How stars are pin pricks of light that can and will fall to the Earth
But why bother wasting half an hour of my life to regurgitate what is already known?
Why don't you instead give me one piece of text from the Bible that you think can stand as anything like "good science" ?

I pointed out that neither you nor anybody else challenged a single citation from the Bible in my opening post. Not one.
So in an act of absurdity, contrary to common sense and the "rationality" atheists constantly claim, you cite things, not passages, not quotes, just stuff you threw up against the wall, and say they're false. You're a complete waste of time.
 
So what was your point about the word luminary?

And once again with an insult. Apparently your religious belief does nothing to deter you from this.

You still don't get it...:roll:
 
I pointed out that neither you nor anybody else challenged a single citation from the Bible in my opening post. Not one.
So in an act of absurdity, contrary to common sense and the "rationality" atheists constantly claim, you cite things, not passages, not quotes, just stuff you threw up against the wall, and say they're false. You're a complete waste of time.



So in other words, you cannot give any text from the Bible that can be considered "Good Science" ?
 
Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.

The molten iron core of the earth was inconceivable because it was not discoverable when this passage was written. “Under (earth) it is turned up as it were fire.”
Ah, some may say, “But there were volcanoes even then.” True enough. But are not volcanoes both isolated and rare, and not so much “under” the earth as above it? The molten core of the earth accords far better with this passage. Their scientific agreement is not coincidental, but rather Divinely inspired and guided.

Job 38:1,2 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

How often one hears words uttered without knowledge by pretenders of science and enlightenment. "The universe is a free lunch." (Physicist Michio Kaku) The Lord does not take foolishness lightly. Neither should we.

Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

The most learned scientist of antiquity could not have imagined the depth of this question. When light is "parted" by a diffraction grating, it can be shown to act both as particles as well as waves. These combinations of properties are difficult to understand much less explain. And the prodigious amounts of energy transmitted by solar radiation does indeed scatter the wind upon the earth as it heats different substances at different rates. Job could not have offered an adequate answer to the question, along the lines of: "Discrete photons of light travel together as a wave until parted into disparate visible components by striking and reflecting from solid objects into our eyes, while other wavelengths give up their energy as they are absorbed by solids and water. Temperature differentials established by ambient sunlight striking dissimilar surfaces create 'the east wind' so described."

Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

NASA maintains a website which is updated daily. Its purpose, however unintended, is to “declare the glory of God” and to “show his handiwork.”

Astronomy Picture of the Day

How remarkable that so repetitive and well known a phenomenon as sunset can delight people of all ages, and all times, and all civilizations. How much more delightful are the glories and handiworks seen in national parks and sightseeing attractions worldwide, so many of which could scarcely have been known by the Bible’s authors. Nor had the first telescope been invented 2000 years ago. How is it that the more deeply we have seen, the more handiwork we have seen? How is it?
 
Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

Mankind is indeed “fearfully and wonderfully made.” The sophistication of our construction begins at the atomic level with atoms that are one part in 1017 nucleus and the rest empty space. Then consider our DNA, which is 45 trillion times more compact and efficient at data storage than today’s sophisticated computer microchips.

Our brains have the memory capacity of 100 billion megabytes, which far exceeds anything conceivably necessary from a “selection” point of view.

Our optic nerves transmit information at 4 gigabaud, which is 71,000 times faster than a dial up modem, and 1,000 times faster than an ultra-high speed T-1 line for a computer.
The human eye sees in exquisite detail, over about 13 orders of magnitude of light intensity. Although the eye is often said to be flawed in its design by Darwinists and atheists, I would very much like to see them replace a human eye with something better which they have designed and built from lab reagents.

Our ears hear over 13 orders of magnitude in sound intensity. Even more amazing, the ears perform a Fourier Analysis. In other words, our eardrums receive a single wave function at the eardrum. Then they break down this single wave function into its constituent sounds. For example, at a concert, your ears hear drums, brass, violins, solo arias, and the person behind you coughing, only because this blended noise is separated inside your ear. If your eyes performed a similar function, they would break down white just as a prism does, into disparate pure colors.

Finally, our two eyes enable us to discern distance (and relative size) by triangulation. Our brains automatically compute the angle of the object seen, and compute its approximate distance. Similarly, our two ears enable us to discern the direction from which noises emanate not only because we have two ears, but also because of the relatively slow speed of sound. A difference in the arrival time from one ear to another of one thousandth to one ten-thousandth of a second is sufficient to discern, so that we can tell generally where a sound originated. If sound were substantially faster, both our ears would hear the sound at about the same time, and we could not enjoy stereophonic music, nor tell where sounds came from.

In His wisdom, God made these velocities profoundly useful to us (as well, of course, as many, many other physical constants besides). They did not "evolve" to such values. And should they have been substantially different, say reversed, no evolutionary "modification" could possibly compensate to give us what we now have.

Biochemistry is so profoundly complex that we are only beginning to appreciate how “wonderfully” we are made. Human blood defies LeChatelier’s Principle, in that when one molecule of oxygen is adsorbed by a hemoglobin molecule, its affinity for oxygen grows, instead of diminishing. The second molecule increases the affinity for the third, and the third for the fourth. This is precisely the reverse of normal chemistry principles and experimental observations. Our bodies’ powers of endurance and healing are absolutely astounding.

The list of features of our wonderful construction begins with conception, continues through growth, and concludes with our spiritual transformations evidenced time and again by the scientific observations of such people as Elisabeth Kubler-Ross. Dr. Kubler-Ross documented hundreds of instances of scientific evidence of a spiritual nature. She convincingly testified that she could not be persuaded of any naturalistic (scientific) explanation for it.

Proverbs 3:20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.

Not only does the mid-Atlantic ridge constitute the continuing breakup of tectonic plates, but also in the depths of the Pacific Ocean also "the depths are broken up," as discovered by modern science, unknown almost two thousand years ago.

Ecclesiastes 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven;

“To seek out and search by wisdom.” This is the very definition of science, is it not? "Scientia," Latin for "truth," is the root word of science.
 
Ecclesiastes 1:7 All rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence rivers come, thither they return again.

The cyclical nature of nature encompasses us wherever we look. The water cycle is described only with utmost brevity in Ecclesiastes. Today we understand (considerably better than did Biblical authors) water and its importance in most chemical processes, as well as its profoundly fortuitous cyclical nature, as originally shown in the Bible. Beyond this, we can see and describe cycles of carbon, and nitrogen, and oxygen, and hydrogen. We are able to comprehend the nature of energy, and the conservation of not only energy, but also of matter itself. More complex by far is the transformation of matter into energy, which gives us sunlight continuously. Why should all these things be? And why so reliably? Why are chemical reactions so wonderfully and perfectly reversible? Why? For the same reason that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made”. For that reason. These Profound Fortuitous Interdependencies did not just fall into place with Megaluck over Megatime, as some scientists posit, with their fingers crossed.

Ecclesiastes 2:13 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.
Ecclesiastes 3:11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
Can you name even one aspect of our universe that is known “from the beginning to the end”? Research continues everywhere, with absolutely no end remotely in sight. Research at the subatomic level, at the molecular level, at the cellular level, at the human level, at the planetary level, and at the galactic level.
How is it that we don’t know everything about anything, if all that we see came about from nothing, as materialists contend? How is that possible? Infinite complexity from nothing is infinitely absurd and infinitely improbable. There is not the slightest scientific basis or law for their grand proposal. Profound organization and information and consistency and physical laws, originating…. HOW ! An infinite God makes spiritual sense. He is utterly beyond the purview of science - which is merely another of God’s brilliant creations. As to the mocking question of “Who made God,” Professor John Lennox of Cambridge University gives us the answer: “If anybody made God, then He wouldn’t be God, would He!” (See Lennox’ one hour lecture, “A Matter of Gravity” on YouTube.)

Two things are incomprehensible. First, the origin of everything from nothing, and second, God Himself, Who so wondrously explains and accounts for everything else. Everyone must choose his own incomprehensible option. The first is random and meaningless, literally and figuratively. The second option is elegant, beautiful, hopeful, and wonderful beyond understanding. This second option matches the creative genius that surrounds us.


Ecclesiastes 7:9 Anger rests in the bosom of fools.
Atheists are exceedingly angry and bitter.
Proverbs 3:21 My son, let them not depart from your eyes -
Keep sound wisdom and discretion;
Proverbs 16:16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! And to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver.
Again and again there are Biblical references to wisdom, prudence, diligence, and other virtues. The essence of science is the pursuit of truth, knowledge, and facts. However, wisdom requires more than mere knowledge. Wisdom requires the integration of scientific truths with integrity, and far more virtuous conduct than the mere accretion of facts, which are value neutral.
Hitler and Stalin appreciated Darwinism for its atheistic implications, but of wisdom, they had none.
 
Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire....

OK I'm a little bit skeptical with this one since the people who wrote the Bible thought the Earth was flat and the sun revolved round the Earth.
Hence they could not know the Earth had a core.

Do you think this is some kind of reference to earlier religions Scriptures on the underworld being a hot place ?



...Job 38:1,2 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

OK, I'm not sure what scientific point or claim is being made here. Can you assist ?



...Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

Sorry, by what reasoning do you get the idea that light is both particles and waves from this ?

Was it talking about refraction and rainbows or simply reflection of water ?


This is NOT science



Are you really going to claim that this passage from the Bible explains weather patterns, cold fronts, areas of high pressure, anti-cyclones, cloud formations etc ?


...Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork....

The "heavens" claims the Bible were created by God in a single day


What, to your mind, constitutes "the heavens" ?
 
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