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Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

Omega Man said:
The whole story was a veiled reference to their brutal oppression under Antiochus IV Epiphanes, so make of it what you will. The Hebrew foundations of “son of man” are the still the same; a mortal man, less than a god.


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I will also point out 'like a son of man' is entirely different that without the modifier 'like'.. It was a 'rah rah' piece that was trying to give the Jews hope for getting rid of Antiochus.
 
Omega Man said:
The whole story was a veiled reference to their brutal oppression under Antiochus IV Epiphanes, so make of it what you will. The Hebrew foundations of “son of man” are the still the same; a mortal man, less than a god.


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Not a chance. Antiochus IV Epiphanes - all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him?? Come on, OM.

I'll tell you who it is. From Mark 14 -

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy.
 
Logicman said:
Not a chance. Antiochus IV Epiphanes - all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him?? Come on, OM.

I'll tell you who it is. From Mark 14 -

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy.
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Yes, it is well known that the authors of the Gospels put words into Jesus mouth, and recycled old scripture to reinterpret it away from it's original meaning, thus corrupting the true scripture.
 
RAMOSS said:
I will also point out 'like a son of man' is entirely different that without the modifier 'like'.. It was a 'rah rah' piece that was trying to give the Jews hope for getting rid of Antiochus.
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Yes. The original concept of a Jewish "messiah" was as a mortal king or warrior, and the veiled-story in Daniel was no different. God, as sovereign deity of the Jewish people, would anoint a mortal king or warrior to enact revenge upon their enemies, and return Israel to its idealized state. A sort of "Return of the King", if you will (and yes, Tolkien purposely included that biblical premise as a literary element to his stories).


OM
 
Logicman said:
Not a chance. Antiochus IV Epiphanes - all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him?? Come on, OM.

I'll tell you who it is. From Mark 14 -

Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”

62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy.
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And of course, the later messianic and Gospel authors - as they were prone to - would borrow elements of the original texts, and summarily betray their context within framing their stories. Also known as self-fulling prophecy.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
And of course, the later messianic and Gospel authors - as they were prone to - would borrow elements of the original texts, and summarily betray their context within framing their stories. Also known as self-fulling prophecy.

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Another wild accusation - probably branding innocent men as deceivers and charlatans - without a shred of evidence to back it all up.

Exodus 20:16 - "Thou shalt not bear false witness..."
 
RAMOSS said:
Yes, it is well known that the authors of the Gospels put words into Jesus mouth, and recycled old scripture to reinterpret it away from it's original meaning, thus corrupting the true scripture.
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Do you ever get anything right, Ramoss? That's another fiasco of yours.
 
Logicman said:
Do you ever get anything right, Ramoss? That's another fiasco of yours.
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This is the psychological technique known as 'transference', where someone takes their own faults, and transfers it to another person.
 
Logicman said:
Another wild accusation - probably branding innocent men as deceivers and charlatans - without a shred of evidence to back it all up.

Exodus 20:16 - "Thou shalt not bear false witness..."
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The evidence is within the original texts themselves. Wildly imaginative self-fulfilling speculations in no way magically alter their contexts.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
The evidence is within the original texts themselves. Wildly imaginative self-fulfilling speculations in no way magically alter their contexts.
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Show your best one example. Cite the scripture and provide your explanation why.
 
RAMOSS said:
This is the psychological technique known as 'transference', where someone takes their own faults, and transfers it to another person.
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Now you're a psychologist. Marvelous.
 
Logicman said:
Show your best one example. Cite the scripture and provide your explanation why.
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I've gone to a lot of time and effort providing you with specific books, chapters, and verses. Apparently you didn't take the time to digest any of that.

On a related note, I have decided to place on my Amazon wish list those books you continually regurgitate the links to; the ones where you do not offer any additional commentary of your own. Though it will cost me, I will at least be doing you the honor of digesting that material. At some point I will of course offer my own commentary on them as you continue to regurgitate the links. Who knows? Maybe my observations will support yours. We'll find out soon enough.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
I've gone to a lot of time and effort providing you with specific books, chapters, and verses. Apparently you didn't take the time to digest any of that.

On a related note, I have decided to place on my Amazon wish list those books you continually regurgitate the links to; the ones where you do not offer any additional commentary of your own. Though it will cost me, I will at least be doing you the honor of digesting that material. At some point I will of course offer my own commentary on them as you continue to regurgitate the links. Who knows? Maybe my observations will support yours. We'll find out soon enough.


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He isn't worth throwing away your good money and time on mind rotting apologist drivel.
 
Omega Man said:
I've gone to a lot of time and effort providing you with specific books, chapters, and verses. Apparently you didn't take the time to digest any of that.

On a related note, I have decided to place on my Amazon wish list those books you continually regurgitate the links to; the ones where you do not offer any additional commentary of your own. Though it will cost me, I will at least be doing you the honor of digesting that material. At some point I will of course offer my own commentary on them as you continue to regurgitate the links. Who knows? Maybe my observations will support yours. We'll find out soon enough.


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I just want a specific example of one of those Messianic prophecies you say the Gospel authors "betrayed" the context. It can't be something you've already posted because those didn't wash. So do indulge me with a prime example of what you're talking about.

But kudos to you for placing the recommended books on your reading list.
 
Omega Man said:
I've gone to a lot of time and effort providing you with specific books, chapters, and verses. Apparently you didn't take the time to digest any of that.

On a related note, I have decided to place on my Amazon wish list those books you continually regurgitate the links to; the ones where you do not offer any additional commentary of your own. Though it will cost me, I will at least be doing you the honor of digesting that material. At some point I will of course offer my own commentary on them as you continue to regurgitate the links. Who knows? Maybe my observations will support yours. We'll find out soon enough.


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How could he answer you? He has not read those books and has no intention of reading them.
 
blarg said:
you have faith in certain things being the word of a god maybe you cant pick that but it can be different from person to person or change over time

all religions are based on man they depend of what you believe until a god shows up and actually says something to you

you are judging them as false you make judgements it comes with being an intelligent being how ever you judge what they belve as false and man made on faith while saying what you belve is divine on faith would you like that done to you? or do you ave any evidence of the truth of your judgmental claims?

if you say you believe signs are right and wrong because you belve a god says they weer then you are judging people based on that and declaring that to be the case

all your doing is claiming ( dubious ) that its not you who says that its someone else and they happen to be right
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You blather a lot.

I cant help but wonder if you have a faith or belief in God...or a God. If you dont...good for you. If you do...you get to work out your choices and the opposition therein with that God.
 
blarg said:
you are picking and choosing your going with the anti gay bits over the golden rule ones

and religions change based on what people believe as well

and yes you do judge other you just do it in the name of a god because that suits you why do you judge others based on faith if you don't want to judged on hear say?
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Nowhere in the Golden Rule does it say to allow sin. Nowhere. Sorry.
 
VanceMack said:
Nowhere in the Golden Rule does it say to allow sin. Nowhere. Sorry.
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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.​

I don't see where it says anything about "sin". Then there is the matter of who gets to decide exactly what action(s) is/are to be seen as a "sin".
 
VanceMack said:
You blather a lot.

I cant help but wonder if you have a faith or belief in God...or a God. If you dont...good for you. If you do...you get to work out your choices and the opposition therein with that God.
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you still judge others if you say what they do is good or evil becase a god says so be honest and don't try to hide behind your faith
 
VanceMack said:
Nowhere in the Golden Rule does it say to allow sin. Nowhere. Sorry.
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it says to treat others as you would like to be treated by others


your ignoring that if you declare what others do as being wrong based on faith instead of reason

if you dont want people to believe what you do is wrong without any evidence or thought
 
blarg said:
hey god do you mind homosexulity?

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nope god dosent care


but maybe people should just abandon their faith if it contains evil rather then trying to change it since the faith is false (or if an evil god exists) then its in service to an evil god
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Our faith does not contain evil, it combats evil. Namely, Satan. Satan and his demons are the ones responsible for the evil in the world. People forget about him.....
 
The Methodist church would welcome, with open arms, gay, trans..., whatever into a sanctuary to worship. They would not hire them or put them on the payroll or allow them to volunteer. That's the same thing as condoning homosexuality, which is a soul-condemning sin.
 
augustus said:
Our faith does not contain evil, it combats evil. Namely, Satan. Satan and his demons are the ones responsible for the evil in the world. People forget about him.....
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The whole Christian concept of Satan is used as an excuse to take away from people's personal responsibility
 
augustus said:
Our faith does not contain evil, it combats evil. Namely, Satan. Satan and his demons are the ones responsible for the evil in the world. People forget about him.....
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Since Jesus said that Peter is Satan, then it must mean every Christian ought to combat everything Peter did, like setting up the church, and Christian marriage.
 
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