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Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

EMNofSeattle

EMNofSeattle

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I love how in this article there is a lot of talk about who’s attending Sunday services and not any about the Bible. Unrepentant homosexuality is a sin, you will be condemned for it. A church that is willing to tell people not to repent and follow God’s teaching is like a Doctor that tells you not to change your diet when you are very overweight.

It is very concerning that had it not been for the Black African delegates they might’ve opened the door to changing the policy. If you’re in a Methodist congregation in the US you need to consider leaving, a church that tells you unbiblical things is bad for your spiritual health. This should never have even been discussed because the Bible clearly does not allow for gay marriage and a pastor should not be living an unrepentant sinful lifestyle.

Traditionalists prevail in United Methodist Church sexuality conversation | News | themountaineer.com
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I love how in this article there is a lot of talk about who’s attending Sunday services and not any about the Bible. Unrepentant homosexuality is a sin, you will be condemned for it. A church that is willing to tell people not to repent and follow God’s teaching is like a Doctor that tells you not to change your diet when you are very overweight.

It is very concerning that had it not been for the Black African delegates they might’ve opened the door to changing the policy. If you’re in a Methodist congregation in the US you need to consider leaving, a church that tells you unbiblical things is bad for your spiritual health. This should never have even been discussed because the Bible clearly does not allow for gay marriage and a pastor should not be living an unrepentant sinful lifestyle.

Traditionalists prevail in United Methodist Church sexuality conversation | News | themountaineer.com
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hey god do you mind homosexulity?

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nope god dosent care


but maybe people should just abandon their faith if it contains evil rather then trying to change it since the faith is false (or if an evil god exists) then its in service to an evil god
 
It is like expecting the KKK to start allowing black members.
 
blarg said:
hey god do you mind homosexulity?

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nope god dosent care


but maybe people should just abandon their faith if it contains evil rather then trying to change it since the faith is false (or if an evil god exists) then its in service to an evil god
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Well except that god explicitly condemns homosexuality in the bible.

There is nothing evil about understanding that disordered behavior is bad for society. It took not even a year before it went from "we just want to be left alone" to "you must affirm us or we'll have the government shut you down" rational people wouldn't complain to government boards over something like Jack Phillips.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well except that god explicitly condemns homosexuality in the bible.

There is nothing evil about understanding that disordered behavior is bad for society. It took not even a year before it went from "we just want to be left alone" to "you must affirm us or we'll have the government shut you down" rational people wouldn't complain to government boards over something like Jack Phillips.
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god are those bits of the bible from you are any of the bible verses from you?

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nope not from god

people should just abandon their faith if it contains evil rather then trying to change it since the faith is false (or if an evil god exists) then its in service to an evil god

sounds like believing in a false god is disordered behavior im not sure its evil but it would be a waist of time and energy at best


pointless discrimination seems like something rational people would oppose treating others badly increases the chance you will be treated badly

your not affirming christianity by serving christians as part of the general public no excuse to deny service to christians or gay people or people of other races
 
Good for them...if you're gonna call yourself a Christian, then act like one...
 
Elvira said:
Good for them...if you're gonna call yourself a Christian, then act like one...
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do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

give what is asked of you?
 
blarg said:
do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

give what is asked of you?
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If I was disordered I would hope my family would love me enough to tell me no and not accept my disorder for my own protection.

I expect my family in Christ to tell me and rebuke me if I am committing mortal sin that could compromise my eternal soul
 
Skeptic Bob said:
It is like expecting the KKK to start allowing black members.
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No it’s not.

There’s nothing wrong with homosexuals attending church, and worshipping God the father and abstaining from sin.

I for example used to be addicted to porn and frequently... well engaged myself. I no longer engage in these behaviors because they’re sinful and damage both my relationship with God who wants what’s best for me and with society. So it’s essential that people who feel compulsion to sinful behavior come and learn their behavior is wrong and resolve to cease committing it.
The Church cannot lead people to God if they reject his teachings. If the Church had simply endorsed my behaviors when I spiritually dead I would never have corrected them

The KKK does not exist to lead all of God’s creation to his kingdom, in fact they reject many biblical teachings. The Church does not exclude, the KKK excludes. The Church cares for the souls of the people who worship, the KKK exists to hurt other people. Not the same things
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I love how in this article there is a lot of talk about who’s attending Sunday services and not any about the Bible. Unrepentant homosexuality is a sin, you will be condemned for it. A church that is willing to tell people not to repent and follow God’s teaching is like a Doctor that tells you not to change your diet when you are very overweight.

It is very concerning that had it not been for the Black African delegates they might’ve opened the door to changing the policy. If you’re in a Methodist congregation in the US you need to consider leaving, a church that tells you unbiblical things is bad for your spiritual health. This should never have even been discussed because the Bible clearly does not allow for gay marriage and a pastor should not be living an unrepentant sinful lifestyle.

Traditionalists prevail in United Methodist Church sexuality conversation | News | themountaineer.com
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Yes...church is supposed to be more than just a social club based on shifting ideologies of the time but more on the actual Bible. If the arguments made are not on biblical principle themselves then there is an issue. That said, I find a certain aspect of this interesting and ironic. The progressives spend their days talking about the evils that is the U.S. and how pretty much all the other places of the world are just as good or better yet it was the churches in Africa that kept the status quo position on LGBTQ in the church....how's that going to fit into the intersectional equation?
 
Fishking said:
Yes...church is supposed to be more than just a social club based on shifting ideologies of the time but more on the actual Bible. If the arguments made are not on biblical principle themselves then there is an issue. That said, I find a certain aspect of this interesting and ironic. The progressives spend their days talking about the evils that is the U.S. and how pretty much all the other places of the world are just as good or better yet it was the churches in Africa that kept the status quo position on LGBTQ in the church....how's that going to fit into the intersectional equation?
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It’s the same deal in the Catholic Church, I have seen a handful of priests from West Africa and these people are solid orthodox people, they call abortion evil, say if you lie or steal you’ll go to hell unless you repent, hold up traditional marriage. The faithful in Africa are a true gift to the world.

My parish has a priest from Vietnam, same deal unafriad to talk about the real bible. I am trying to remember who said it, but one Catholic commentator said it’s a blessing we evangelized so much in Africa because they’re now coming to re-evangelize us
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It’s the same deal in the Catholic Church, I have seen a handful of priests from West Africa and these people are solid orthodox people, they call abortion evil, say if you lie or steal you’ll go to hell unless you repent, hold up traditional marriage. The faithful in Africa are a true gift to the world.

My parish has a priest from Vietnam, same deal unafriad to talk about the real bible. I am trying to remember who said it, but one Catholic commentator said it’s a blessing we evangelized so much in Africa because they’re now coming to re-evangelize us
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What do you think the cause is? My theory is that we've had it too easy and that has caused the faith to be watered down and flabby. It's in the countries where your faith can cause you real harm or death where it's solid in ways that's hard to replicate here. Similar to how the original church grew from a few Jews in Jerusalem, in the midst of extreme persecution, they flourished and grew.
 
Fishking said:
What do you think the cause is? My theory is that we've had it too easy and that has caused the faith to be watered down and flabby. It's in the countries where your faith can cause you real harm or death where it's solid in ways that's hard to replicate here. Similar to how the original church grew from a few Jews in Jerusalem, in the midst of extreme persecution, they flourished and grew.
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The baby boomers are a favorite punching bag of many, but I blame the WW2 generation, they suffered the Great Depression and the war and wanted their kids to have everything they didn’t have. Then we started seeing things like no fault divorce and contraception emerge and of course these kick off a new era of moral relativism, sex is not procreative so all the traditional mores go away, this creates a problem of single mothers, now we need a welfare state to care for them, this of course is subsidizing moral decay, and creating damaged children who cannot form proper relationships and are depressed, and unhealthy.
And they’ve been sold on an concept society owes them an idyllic existence and they know they’re not whole and missing it, so they’re ungrateful for how nice they have it here.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
If I was disordered I would hope my family would love me enough to tell me no and not accept my disorder for my own protection.

I expect my family in Christ to tell me and rebuke me if I am committing mortal sin that could compromise my eternal soul
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you seem disordered for your own good seek help about your problems with homosexulity to be clear your problems with people being homosexual

you seem disordered judging others by faith is probably not how you want to be treated its not how most people want to be treated

you seem disordered you believe in a good god yet fear for your soul eternally

please i know its hard but you can overcome these conditions and lead a better life
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No it’s not.

There’s nothing wrong with homosexuals attending church, and worshipping God the father and abstaining from sin.

I for example used to be addicted to porn and frequently... well engaged myself. I no longer engage in these behaviors because they’re sinful and damage both my relationship with God who wants what’s best for me and with society. So it’s essential that people who feel compulsion to sinful behavior come and learn their behavior is wrong and resolve to cease committing it.
The Church cannot lead people to God if they reject his teachings. If the Church had simply endorsed my behaviors when I spiritually dead I would never have corrected them

The KKK does not exist to lead all of God’s creation to his kingdom, in fact they reject many biblical teachings. The Church does not exclude, the KKK excludes. The Church cares for the souls of the people who worship, the KKK exists to hurt other people. Not the same things
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there's nothing wrong with them having sex with 1 another either regardless of gender

how did porn damage you?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It’s the same deal in the Catholic Church, I have seen a handful of priests from West Africa and these people are solid orthodox people, they call abortion evil, say if you lie or steal you’ll go to hell unless you repent, hold up traditional marriage. The faithful in Africa are a true gift to the world.

My parish has a priest from Vietnam, same deal unafriad to talk about the real bible. I am trying to remember who said it, but one Catholic commentator said it’s a blessing we evangelized so much in Africa because they’re now coming to re-evangelize us
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why would abortion be evil? why would people be sent to hell who is that helping and how?
 
Fishking said:
What do you think the cause is? My theory is that we've had it too easy and that has caused the faith to be watered down and flabby. It's in the countries where your faith can cause you real harm or death where it's solid in ways that's hard to replicate here. Similar to how the original church grew from a few Jews in Jerusalem, in the midst of extreme persecution, they flourished and grew.
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why would a real good need or desire faith?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The baby boomers are a favorite punching bag of many, but I blame the WW2 generation, they suffered the Great Depression and the war and wanted their kids to have everything they didn’t have. Then we started seeing things like no fault divorce and contraception emerge and of course these kick off a new era of moral relativism, sex is not procreative so all the traditional mores go away, this creates a problem of single mothers, now we need a welfare state to care for them, this of course is subsidizing moral decay, and creating damaged children who cannot form proper relationships and are depressed, and unhealthy.
And they’ve been sold on an concept society owes them an idyllic existence and they know they’re not whole and missing it, so they’re ungrateful for how nice they have it here.
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no fault dive seems fine between 2 people i can see how it could case problems if kids are involved but then again haivng parents who dont want to be together sems bad to

why would contraception be bad? and how could morality be anything but relative they would lose all meaning if they weer just some lists of do this and don't do that because you would have no reason to do the to do list and avoid the don't list

hows people haivng sex without kids lead to problems with single mothers?
 
Fishking said:
Not sure what you're asking. Could you rephrase?
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you were talking about how adversity builds a strong faith if god actually existed why would it not be a fact known by all
 
Rich2018 said:
yeah...

And the Bible teaches us that (practicing) homosexuals must be killed.
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just the old bit s the jehovah's witnesses know that they will only be killed if they refuse to abandon being gay when they are before god


the witnesses are commanded to love every one but if your going to be wicked ( do stuff they say god disapproves of ) then you need to die permanently so every one else can be happy forever
 
blarg said:
you were talking about how adversity builds a strong faith if god actually existed why would it not be a fact known by all
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Known by all who? To explain my comment, when people have it easy, they tend to look to themselves and rely less on their faith. That's just how it seems to be.
 
Fishking said:
Known by all who? To explain my comment, when people have it easy, they tend to look to themselves and rely less on their faith. That's just how it seems to be.
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by all would be every one that's who
 
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