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    Re: Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishking View Post
    Yes...church is supposed to be more than just a social club based on shifting ideologies of the time but more on the actual Bible. If the arguments made are not on biblical principle themselves then there is an issue. That said, I find a certain aspect of this interesting and ironic. The progressives spend their days talking about the evils that is the U.S. and how pretty much all the other places of the world are just as good or better yet it was the churches in Africa that kept the status quo position on LGBTQ in the church....how's that going to fit into the intersectional equation?
    It’s the same deal in the Catholic Church, I have seen a handful of priests from West Africa and these people are solid orthodox people, they call abortion evil, say if you lie or steal you’ll go to hell unless you repent, hold up traditional marriage. The faithful in Africa are a true gift to the world.

    My parish has a priest from Vietnam, same deal unafriad to talk about the real bible. I am trying to remember who said it, but one Catholic commentator said it’s a blessing we evangelized so much in Africa because they’re now coming to re-evangelize us
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    Re: Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It’s the same deal in the Catholic Church, I have seen a handful of priests from West Africa and these people are solid orthodox people, they call abortion evil, say if you lie or steal you’ll go to hell unless you repent, hold up traditional marriage. The faithful in Africa are a true gift to the world.

    My parish has a priest from Vietnam, same deal unafriad to talk about the real bible. I am trying to remember who said it, but one Catholic commentator said it’s a blessing we evangelized so much in Africa because they’re now coming to re-evangelize us
    What do you think the cause is? My theory is that we've had it too easy and that has caused the faith to be watered down and flabby. It's in the countries where your faith can cause you real harm or death where it's solid in ways that's hard to replicate here. Similar to how the original church grew from a few Jews in Jerusalem, in the midst of extreme persecution, they flourished and grew.
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    Re: Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishking View Post
    What do you think the cause is? My theory is that we've had it too easy and that has caused the faith to be watered down and flabby. It's in the countries where your faith can cause you real harm or death where it's solid in ways that's hard to replicate here. Similar to how the original church grew from a few Jews in Jerusalem, in the midst of extreme persecution, they flourished and grew.
    The baby boomers are a favorite punching bag of many, but I blame the WW2 generation, they suffered the Great Depression and the war and wanted their kids to have everything they didn’t have. Then we started seeing things like no fault divorce and contraception emerge and of course these kick off a new era of moral relativism, sex is not procreative so all the traditional mores go away, this creates a problem of single mothers, now we need a welfare state to care for them, this of course is subsidizing moral decay, and creating damaged children who cannot form proper relationships and are depressed, and unhealthy.
    And they’ve been sold on an concept society owes them an idyllic existence and they know they’re not whole and missing it, so they’re ungrateful for how nice they have it here.
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    Re: Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    If I was disordered I would hope my family would love me enough to tell me no and not accept my disorder for my own protection.

    I expect my family in Christ to tell me and rebuke me if I am committing mortal sin that could compromise my eternal soul
    you seem disordered for your own good seek help about your problems with homosexulity to be clear your problems with people being homosexual

    you seem disordered judging others by faith is probably not how you want to be treated its not how most people want to be treated

    you seem disordered you believe in a good god yet fear for your soul eternally

    please i know its hard but you can overcome these conditions and lead a better life

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    Re: Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    No it’s not.

    There’s nothing wrong with homosexuals attending church, and worshipping God the father and abstaining from sin.

    I for example used to be addicted to porn and frequently... well engaged myself. I no longer engage in these behaviors because they’re sinful and damage both my relationship with God who wants what’s best for me and with society. So it’s essential that people who feel compulsion to sinful behavior come and learn their behavior is wrong and resolve to cease committing it.
    The Church cannot lead people to God if they reject his teachings. If the Church had simply endorsed my behaviors when I spiritually dead I would never have corrected them

    The KKK does not exist to lead all of God’s creation to his kingdom, in fact they reject many biblical teachings. The Church does not exclude, the KKK excludes. The Church cares for the souls of the people who worship, the KKK exists to hurt other people. Not the same things
    there's nothing wrong with them having sex with 1 another either regardless of gender

    how did porn damage you?

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    Re: Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    It’s the same deal in the Catholic Church, I have seen a handful of priests from West Africa and these people are solid orthodox people, they call abortion evil, say if you lie or steal you’ll go to hell unless you repent, hold up traditional marriage. The faithful in Africa are a true gift to the world.

    My parish has a priest from Vietnam, same deal unafriad to talk about the real bible. I am trying to remember who said it, but one Catholic commentator said it’s a blessing we evangelized so much in Africa because they’re now coming to re-evangelize us
    why would abortion be evil? why would people be sent to hell who is that helping and how?

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    Re: Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishking View Post
    What do you think the cause is? My theory is that we've had it too easy and that has caused the faith to be watered down and flabby. It's in the countries where your faith can cause you real harm or death where it's solid in ways that's hard to replicate here. Similar to how the original church grew from a few Jews in Jerusalem, in the midst of extreme persecution, they flourished and grew.
    why would a real good need or desire faith?

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    Re: Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    The baby boomers are a favorite punching bag of many, but I blame the WW2 generation, they suffered the Great Depression and the war and wanted their kids to have everything they didn’t have. Then we started seeing things like no fault divorce and contraception emerge and of course these kick off a new era of moral relativism, sex is not procreative so all the traditional mores go away, this creates a problem of single mothers, now we need a welfare state to care for them, this of course is subsidizing moral decay, and creating damaged children who cannot form proper relationships and are depressed, and unhealthy.
    And they’ve been sold on an concept society owes them an idyllic existence and they know they’re not whole and missing it, so they’re ungrateful for how nice they have it here.
    no fault dive seems fine between 2 people i can see how it could case problems if kids are involved but then again haivng parents who dont want to be together sems bad to

    why would contraception be bad? and how could morality be anything but relative they would lose all meaning if they weer just some lists of do this and don't do that because you would have no reason to do the to do list and avoid the don't list

    hows people haivng sex without kids lead to problems with single mothers?

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    Re: Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    why would a real good need or desire faith?
    Not sure what you're asking. Could you rephrase?
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    Re: Methodist church rejects gay clergy and marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Good for them...if you're gonna call yourself a Christian, then act like one...


    yeah...

    And the Bible teaches us that (practicing) homosexuals must be killed.

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