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The God Question

Does "xyerq" have a meaning? If it does, then that meaning points to its existence whether or not its nature is understood.
All natural phenomena were known to exist long before their nature was understood.

The meaning of a word speaks to the nature of what the word describes. The meaning of god speaks to the nature of god. Meanings speak to nature, not to existence. Natural phenomenon, like rain, has an observable nature. It's nature is water that falls from clouds. Water's nature is how it is felt by our senses. The nature of a rock is different from the nature of water, and that is how the words gain their meaning. Rain is not a description of its existence, but its nature. That's what all words are for. They are descriptive of nature, not of existence.
 

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

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Make no mistake, God will trample the evil of the liberal left under foot.

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Denial is not a river in Egypt.

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Make no mistake, God will trample the evil of the liberal left under foot.

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Well that was nonsensical and apparently off topic
Are you one of those hypocrites that thinks a multiple divorced adulterer and very shady business person who often refuse to pay his bolls while insulting anyone who doesn't bow down and lick his boot sis Gods chosen representative on earth?
 
Try reading for comprehension instead of reading to respond negatively.



Support? You really can't read, can you? Now tell me, how exactly did you arrive at the ridiculous conclusion when I clearly critiqued the premise?

You are just flame baiting now, and it might be time to put you on ignore because of this behaviour, for I can't be bothered with such games.
See what I mean by slippery? You can't have it both ways, boss. Either you contradicted my thesis, in which case the mendacity of your later denial that you contradicted my thesis is exposed, or you agreed with my thesis. Which is it?
 
The meaning of a word speaks to the nature of what the word describes. The meaning of god speaks to the nature of god. Meanings speak to nature, not to existence. Natural phenomenon, like rain, has an observable nature. It's nature is water that falls from clouds. Water's nature is how it is felt by our senses. The nature of a rock is different from the nature of water, and that is how the words gain their meaning. Rain is not a description of its existence, but its nature. That's what all words are for. They are descriptive of nature, not of existence.
Wrong on every count. Next squirm.
 
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The thesis of this thread is that there is a categorical difference between the question of God's existence and the question of God's nature.
The question of God's existence is a philosophical question in ontology answered by way of logic.
The question of God's nature is a religious question answered variously by the thousand world religions based on sacred texts, testimony, revelation, tradition, etc.

The corollary thesis of this thread is that the Internet Skeptic conflates these two questions and confuses the issue.
 
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Except you have made up your own view of what is an internet skeptic (clearly seen in our atheists do not exist thread) and there is no gods existence, gods do not exist. No logic is going to make the fantasy that religious people believe in accurate.

Faith and the belief in the existence of god is purely based on sacred texts, testimony, etc. etc. etc.

Because it is nonsense to think that someone knows that god must exist even if they do not believe in god. At least that is what some monk Anselm of Canterbury argued but that is just purely an opinion based on previous brainwashing people into thinking gods must exist, he said:

if the greatest possible being exists in the mind, it must also exist in reality. If it exists only in the mind, then an even greater being must be possible—one which exists both in the mind and in reality. Therefore, this greatest possible being must exist in reality.

Which is nonsense, it is just mindless theorizing without there being any evidence. You cannot theorize your way into thinking gods exist no matter how many times the greatest thinkers theorized about it.
 
Except you have made up your own view of what is an internet skeptic (clearly seen in our atheists do not exist thread) and there is no gods existence, gods do not exist. No logic is going to make the fantasy that religious people believe in accurate.

Faith and the belief in the existence of god is purely based on sacred texts, testimony, etc. etc. etc.

Because it is nonsense to think that someone knows that god must exist even if they do not believe in god. At least that is what some monk Anselm of Canterbury argued but that is just purely an opinion based on previous brainwashing people into thinking gods must exist, he said:



Which is nonsense, it is just mindless theorizing without there being any evidence. You cannot theorize your way into thinking gods exist no matter how many times the greatest thinkers theorized about it.

Have to disagree with the bolded of course you can theorize your way into thinking anything exists but you cannot theorize your way into actually proving or making something exist.
We convince ourselves of false things all the time
 
IMO, the god question has been answered. There isn't one, at least not on anything like what we've been calling a god. Those stories are myths.

Now, is there something out there which is smarter than us or more advanced or even "supernatural-like" in its ability to manipulate time and space? Perhaps. But, we have not seen any evidence of that. Both planets we've visited with bots are barren. And, the Jupiter probe found no signs of live in its atmosphere, even though water was detected. The moon is a dust ball. And, rocks like Pluto are not going to harbor much beyond a few amino acid chains, if that.

Does something live under the ice on Europa, or did something maybe find a way to replicate itself in the liquid methane on Titan? Who knows, right? Is that thing a god? Not likely.

Is there something living between time and space which could conceivably be called a god? I doubt it. But, I guess it's not outside the realm of possibility.

Are some of us really foolish enough to hang our hats on that? I guess. But, sheesh, talk about betting on a longshot.
 
Except you have made up your own view of what is an internet skeptic (clearly seen in our atheists do not exist thread) and there is no gods existence, gods do not exist. No logic is going to make the fantasy that religious people believe in accurate.

Faith and the belief in the existence of god is purely based on sacred texts, testimony, etc. etc. etc.

Because it is nonsense to think that someone knows that god must exist even if they do not believe in god. At least that is what some monk Anselm of Canterbury argued but that is just purely an opinion based on previous brainwashing people into thinking gods must exist, he said:



Which is nonsense, it is just mindless theorizing without there being any evidence. You cannot theorize your way into thinking gods exist no matter how many times the greatest thinkers theorized about it.
Your post is evidence that you have no grasp of my arguments or of the subject matter. Your post is Internet Skeptic/New Atheist auto-pilot. A mindless antagonism.
 
Your post is evidence that you have no grasp of my arguments or of the subject matter. Your post is Internet Skeptic/New Atheist auto-pilot. A mindless antagonism.

Except I do understand it but your grasp of what an internet skeptic supposedly is, is at best tenuous, at worst non-existent.
 
Except I do understand it but your grasp of what an internet skeptic supposedly is, is at best tenuous, at worst non-existent.
Your posts exemplify Internet Skepticism to a T.
 
Your posts exemplify Internet Skepticism to a T.

Sure, I don't agree with your nonsense so I am an internet skeptic. No, I just voice my views on things that are bogus/untrue/nonsense. That is not an internet skeptic, that is just being someone with common sense.
 
Sure, I'll add my thoughts regarding the distinction between the two...

Proposition One: Existence --- Existence must first be defined, since people can wander off onto a different path right from that very beginning point. What IS existence? Are we speaking of the type of existence, such as "my computer exists"? Or are we speaking of the type of existence, such as "Frodo Baggins exists"? The first example is an existence in objective reality, while the second example is an existence in lore. (books, movies, story, mythology, ...)

If we agree upon using the first type of existence (objective reality), then discussion can move into determining whether or not something exists in that particular way. DOES God exist in objective reality? First, God must be defined... I will get more into that in the 2nd part, but just assume that the definition of God is agreed upon. Then, we need to figure out how we know whether something exists in objective reality or not. Keep in mind that "reality" is differently experienced by each individual... Can we simply rely on our five senses? Obviously not, since things objectively exist that we can't sense with our five senses (without using instrumentation to 'enhance our senses', anyway). We seem to have issues sensing very small things and very large things (going 'beyond our scope' in either direction)... Does that mean that those things don't objectively exist? No... Does that mean that those things DO objectively exist? Still no...

This leads us into answering Proposition One (that God is.) Well, IS God?? Arguments can be made either way, depending on what evidence one accepts/rejects... So, does God objectively exist? We definitely know that there IS an absolutely truthful answer to the question, since it can be logically reasoned that absolute truth exists, and we know that the answer to that question has to be either 'yes' or 'no', but there is no way to prove or disprove God's existence, hence the options of theism, atheism, and agnosticism... To attempt to prove or disprove God's existence leads to logical fallacies, such as the circular argument fallacy and the argument from ignorance fallacy. In conclusion, Proposition One (that God is) can only be logically accepted or rejected on a faith basis.

Proposition Two: Nature --- Regardless of which definition of "existence" is believed with regards to God, one can discuss the nature of God, as this is NOT a discussion regarding the existence of God. This is more or less an attempt to define God, as I eluded to earlier. Now, how does one define God? First, we need to be talking about the same God... I will use the Christian God as my example. How does one define the Christian God? Well, Christians view The Bible as their holy scripture, so it would make sense for one to base the definition of God off of what The Bible says about God (in other words, to keep discussion about the nature of God within the framework of The Bible).

What IS the nature of God? How is God best defined? Well, God goes beyond our five senses, and any augmentation of our senses, IF he objectively exists, so we can't use any of our five senses to define him. Therefore, we can only go by what is said about him (ie, what his qualities are). I think he is best defined by his qualities. Using The Bible as a framework, we learn that God is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. We also learn that he is a timeless, spaceless, immaterial, intelligent, and personal being. I'd say that those qualities are the best way to define what the Christian God is (his nature).

Sounds like a little BS, magnified to a lot of BS.
 
Sure, I don't agree with your nonsense so I am an internet skeptic. No, I just voice my views on things that are bogus/untrue/nonsense. That is not an internet skeptic, that is just being someone with common sense.
No, you just call what you can't comprehend "bogus/untrue/nonsense" -- that is the m.o. of Internet Skepticism.
 
No, you just call what you can't comprehend "bogus/untrue/nonsense" -- that is the m.o. of Internet Skepticism.

Again, repeating your flawed opinion on what an internet skeptic is not going to convince anyone of your ridiculous internet skeptic views.
 
Again, repeating your flawed opinion on what an internet skeptic is not going to convince anyone of your ridiculous internet skeptic views.
This thread is entitled "The God Question." Do you understand its thesis? What is it?
 
This thread is entitled "The God Question." Do you understand its thesis? What is it?

Yes, I already wrote about it, and it is you who brought the issue of internet skepticism into this.
 
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