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The God Question

Logicman said:
Hitchens, Dawkins and even Bill Maher may have confused some people, but not the elect. Salvation is still by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and not by works, but that doesn't for a moment mean the faithful believe that when you do have evidence, that you have to have inject that into the salvation equation.



Nope. Not at all. That's a false statement.
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You already established that you need evidence or its a myth that can be easily dismissed. WHile you have a book that makes claims that a man named Jesus was christ. ANd that same book demands faith that said man was christ. The evidence that you have will never show Jesus to be christ. AT best you could show that some guy named jesus might have existed, but it is impossible for you to show evidence that the same man was christ. You have to believe that Jesus died for anything other than his crimes with pure faith. Of course you cannot really show that the man jesus ever actually existed. The only people claiming to have evidence that he did, are too biased to trust.

Sounds like a myth.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
You already established that you need evidence or its a myth that can be easily dismissed. WHile you have a book that makes claims that a man named Jesus was christ. ANd that same book demands faith that said man was christ. The evidence that you have will never show Jesus to be christ. AT best you could show that some guy named jesus might have existed, but it is impossible for you to show evidence that the same man was christ. You have to believe that Jesus died for anything other than his crimes with pure faith. Of course you cannot really show that the man jesus ever actually existed. The only people claiming to have evidence that he did, are too biased to trust.

Sounds like a myth.
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The evidence is clear: Jesus is the Resurrected Lord and Savior for the remission of sins. Don't leave earth without him.
 
Angel said:
The God Question
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The God Question involves two propositions that must be distinguished in any discourse that aspires to clarity:

Proposition One

That God is.

Proposition Two

What God is.


Proposition One goes to the question of the existence of God.
Proposition Two goes to the question of the nature of God.

In discourse on The God Question, the conflation of Proposition One and Proposition Two should be avoided for the sake of clarity.
The conflation of Proposition One and Proposition Two makes for incoherence in discourse.
Much of contemporary discourse on The God Question is incoherent.

This thread is devoted to the philosophical exploration of the distinction between Proposition One and Proposition Two.

Members given to philosophical rumination are invited to comment or expatiate on this limited topic.
Members who do not understand the distinction are invited to ask questions about the distinction.
Members who neither understand the distinction nor wish to discuss it philosophically should read quietly in their seats.


Know Thyself.​
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God Is in minds of Humankind. God is whatever individuals want it to be.

God Is Not tangible. God Is Not something that can be defined outside the mind.
 
Logicman said:
The assertion is clear: Jesus is the Resurrected Lord and Savior for the remission of sins. Don't leave earth without him.
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Editorial Correction.


OM
 
FreedomFromAll said:
That is nothing but belief; not evidence.
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The Q'uran is evidence that Allah is the only God, that there is no equivalent to Allah, that Muhammed is his chosen Messenger, and that Jesus was only a mortal prophet.


OM
 
FreedomFromAll said:
That is nothing but belief; not evidence.
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Wrong. You haven't done your homework.

Recommended reading so you can see the evidences you're denying:

"The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas;
"New Evidence that Demands a Verdict," by former skeptic Josh McDowell;
"Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," by Dr. Norman Geisler;
"The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and
"The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by Dr, Gary Habermas.

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Omega Man said:
The Q'uran is evidence that Allah is the only God, that there is no equivalent to Allah, that Muhammed is his chosen Messenger, and that Jesus was only a mortal prophet.


OM
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If you believe that then give your soul to Allah and see how that works out for you in eternity.
 
Logicman said:
If you believe that then give your soul to Allah and see how that works out for you in eternity.
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And if you don't believe that, then prepare yourself for an eternity of suffering. After all, the Q'uran is evidence of such claims.


OM
 
Logicman said:
Wrong. You haven't done your homework.

Recommended reading so you can see the evidences you're denying:

"The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas;
"New Evidence that Demands a Verdict," by former skeptic Josh McDowell;
"Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," by Dr. Norman Geisler;
"The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and
"The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by Dr, Gary Habermas.

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Omega Man said:
And if you don't believe that, then prepare yourself for an eternity of suffering. After all, the Q'uran is evidence of such claims.
OM
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Written in a cave by one guy?

As opposed to numerous multiple independent authors and eyewitnesses in the NT?

Farewell and adieu to my fair Spanish ladies.... (Quint, Jaws)
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Dude you gave BS links to BS and thought that would work. I do not care wtf Christian apologist think.
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Your excuses are lame.

Question: How would you possibly know those books I cited were biased if you hadn't even read them?
 
Logicman said:
Hitchens, Dawkins and even Bill Maher may have confused some people, but not the elect. Salvation is still by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and not by works, but that doesn't for a moment mean the faithful believe that when you do have evidence, that you have to have inject that into the salvation equation.



Nope. Not at all. That's a false statement.
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That sounds like the people who think they are the elect are confused. The concept of salvation is pretty much null and void, and totally unneeded.
 
RAMOSS said:
That sounds like the people who think they are the elect are confused. The concept of salvation is pretty much null and void, and totally unneeded.
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You don't have any credibility with your far-fetched conclusions.
 
Logicman said:
You don't have any credibility with your far-fetched conclusions.
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I don't need credibility, because I have truth on my side.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
By the link addresses.
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They were books long before they were referenced in those links. Duh.

No offense, but it's lazy not to do your homework. I think you're afraid that your pet theories will be shot down once you actually do your homework.
 
Logicman said:
They were books long before they were referenced in those links. Duh.

No offense, but it's lazy not to do your homework. I think you're afraid that your pet theories will be shot down once you actually do your homework.
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Dude that "homework" angle is a piss poor argument that only works in your head. You can tell me until your blue in the face but that is never actual evidence. Pointing at some other people doing the same thing is just as stupid.

And frankly I do not care what you think at all. Go ahead assert that you have evidence of your gods and I will laugh at you. Seriously if you had evidence of any god you would be the must famous person in history. Since you are not and nor are any of those people writing books. Face it you are just sharing peoples opinions not actually evidence of anything. Like I said even if you could show evidence of Jesus the man being real (which you cannot) you cannot show that Jesus was the son of god and the lord savior. That part is completely faith bound and a well like you said easily dismissed as a myth.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Dude that "homework" angle is a piss poor argument that only works in your head. You can tell me until your blue in the face but that is never actual evidence. Pointing at some other people doing the same thing is just as stupid.

And frankly I do not care what you think at all. Go ahead assert that you have evidence of your gods and I will laugh at you. Seriously if you had evidence of any god you would be the must famous person in history. Since you are not and nor are any of those people writing books. Face it you are just sharing peoples opinions not actually evidence of anything. Like I said even if you could show evidence of Jesus the man being real (which you cannot) you cannot show that Jesus was the son of god and the lord savior. That part is completely faith bound and a well like you said easily dismissed as a myth.
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You couldn't prove all that by the mess you make of things.

You haven't done your homework. You're not well read and you haven't any formal education in theology.
 
tecoyah said:
God Is in minds of Humankind. God is whatever individuals want it to be.

God Is Not tangible. God Is Not something that can be defined outside the mind.
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You forgot God is great.
 
Logicman said:
You couldn't prove all that by the mess you make of things.

You haven't done your homework. You're not well read and you haven't any formal education in theology.
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Dude you are not an authority, you are just like me: just some guy on the internet. So quit the BS.

ANd please do not try to preach to me about what I do and do not know about theology. The only thing that matters is that all of your sources are Christian apologists and thus extremely biased and not trust worthy. And FFS I have looked at all of your links before, they are the same ones that you have been posting for years they never change. Those links all are pathetic and only an idiot would believe them. But then next you will repeat the same stupid crap again as if it were new. It isnt new we all know that it isnt new and we all know that you do not debate, but instead just repeat dogma over and over again. We get it you believe what you have been told by a bunch of idiots. But thats neither here nor there, like I said you cannot prove or show any evidence for Jesus being more than a god or even existing at all. And that is was every other Christian has faith and does not pretend to have evidence that does not exist.
 
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