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The God Question

FreedomFromAll said:
The Christian faith itself prides itself in being faith based. There are even passages in the Christian bible that teach that you should never try to prove the existence of the Christian god. It goes on to assert that if your faith is strong enough you can survive atheists pressures to prove the existence of the Christian god.
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"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have." - 1 Peter 3:15

Acts 18:28 - "...for he (Paul) powerfully refuted the Jews in public, demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ."

Luke 1:1-4: “Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.”

"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God" - 2 Corinthians 10:5
 
Logicman said:
"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have." - 1 Peter 3:15

Acts 18:28 - "...for he (Paul) powerfully refuted the Jews in public, demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ."

Luke 1:1-4: “Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.”

"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God" - 2 Corinthians 10:5
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You were asking about things that have been proven fiction. You just have given a fine example, your quote 2 Corinthians 10:5 is definitely fiction.
 
RAMOSS said:
You won't be getting a response from him. He's been banned (I think for being a multiple account).
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I actually found it amusing when he was debating himself
 
Ah yes, Socratic irony. Paul, while deliberately making himself out to be worse than he really is, strives to obtain a reaction which would make him seem better than he makes himself appear.


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Logicman said:
"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have." - 1 Peter 3:15

Acts 18:28 - "...for he (Paul) powerfully refuted the Jews in public, demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ."

Luke 1:1-4: “Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, it seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus; so that you may know the exact truth about the things you have been taught.”

"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God" - 2 Corinthians 10:5
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Come on do not be a doubting Thomas. You do not not need evidence; you only need your faith in god and your Jesus.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Come on do not be a doubting Thomas. You do not not need evidence; you only need your faith in god and your Jesus.
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Anyone who has really studied the historical Jesus knows there is evidence to go along with faith, and that evidence also bolsters our faith. After all, one's faith is only as good as the reality of whom it is placed in.
 
Logicman said:
Anyone who has really studied the historical Jesus knows there is evidence to go along with faith, and that evidence also bolsters our faith. After all, one's faith is only as good as the reality of whom it is placed in.
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There is a principle that seems to be going on this claim. it's know as 'conformation bias'. Another phrase comes into mind. 'You can't reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into'
 
RAMOSS said:
There is a principle that seems to be going on this claim. it's know as 'conformation bias'. Another phrase comes into mind. 'You can't reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into'
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The bias is yours, Ramoss. Your little anti-Christianity fiasco around here has only shown how lame your understanding of the issues are.
 
Logicman said:
The bias is yours, Ramoss. Your little anti-Christianity fiasco around here has only shown how lame your understanding of the issues are.
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That is what you claim. You can not support your claim.
 
Logicman said:
Anyone who has really studied the historical Jesus knows there is evidence to go along with faith, and that evidence also bolsters our faith. After all, one's faith is only as good as the reality of whom it is placed in.
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Actually it is only Christians who believe that so called "evidence" that you speak of. Believing that "evidence" requires faith. Christianity therefor is entirely faith based.
 
Logicman said:
No, that's not true. Some believe in the empty tomb but not the resurrection, and things like that.

12 Historical Facts - Gary Habermas
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Gary Habermas is a Christian apologist, Im sure he says all kinds of biased crap.

The guy never actually shows anything to be a fact, he just says that they are and then sites the bible as his proof.

FFS I remember when Christians did not need to prove their faith. Faith was their strength, but they became entrenched in arguments with popular atheists. Then slowly they gave up their strong faith in their god(s) and fell for the bait. You guys were trolled by atheists who made money from your caving in and weakening of faith. Seriously older wiser Christians talk about faith not evidence; its because they have strong faith unlike Christian apologists who's belief is Earth borne rather than coming from what they believe to be divine.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Gary Habermas is a Christian apologist, Im sure he says all kinds of biased crap.

The guy never actually shows anything to be a fact, he just says that they are and then sites the bible as his proof.

FFS I remember when Christians did not need to prove their faith. Faith was their strength, but they became entrenched in arguments with popular atheists. Then slowly they gave up their strong faith in their god(s) and fell for the bait. You guys were trolled by atheists who made money from your caving in and weakening of faith. Seriously older wiser Christians talk about faith not evidence; its because they have strong faith unlike Christian apologists who's belief is Earth borne rather than coming from what they believe to be divine.
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Habermas has probably forgotten more than his deceived detractors ever knew.

You sound like you want people to believe there's no evidence for the faith, and that you just want people to only believe - like faith in an Easter bunny or Santa Clause, so you can level Christianity to that of a child-like myth.

We know better. Most of us know there is evidence for the faith. Strong evidence that Christ-deniers can't shake. And it makes the Christ-deniers crazy.
 
Logicman said:
Habermas has probably forgotten more than his deceived detractors ever knew.

You sound like you want people to believe there's no evidence for the faith, and that you just want people to only believe - like faith in an Easter bunny or Santa Clause, so you can level Christianity to that of a child-like myth.

We know better. Most of us know there is evidence for the faith. Strong evidence that Christ-deniers can't shake. And it makes the Christ-deniers crazy.
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This is yet another post that is filled with meaningless rhetoric, but void of what is known as evidence or facts.
 
RAMOSS said:
This is yet another post that is filled with meaningless rhetoric, but void of what is known as evidence or facts.
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Go infect somebody else with your worthless drivel.
 
Logicman said:
Go infect somebody else with your worthless drivel.
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That is the response I would expect for someone who is making unsupported claims that someone in fact can not support at all.
 
Logicman said:
Habermas has probably forgotten more than his deceived detractors ever knew.

You sound like you want people to believe there's no evidence for the faith, and that you just want people to only believe - like faith in an Easter bunny or Santa Clause, so you can level Christianity to that of a child-like myth.

We know better. Most of us know there is evidence for the faith. Strong evidence that Christ-deniers can't shake. And it makes the Christ-deniers crazy.
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And that is exactly what I was talking about. Older Christians only needed faith alone. But popular atheists like: Hitchens, Dawkins and even Bill Maher have changed the Christian apologists position to one of Earthly evidence instead of faith in the divine. And if that evidence turns out to be flawed, then your faith is only "a child-like myth". What you are saying is not only did these popular atheists win with their strategy, but faith alone is not enough; you need Earthly evidence. Yet the New Testament is clear that you only need faith. It seems that you have strayed from your faith in the divine. You were manipulated by ungodly talking heads, to believe that you have to have evidence or your faith can be shot down easily as merely a belief in a myth. Your belief in jesus christ as your savior is weak if you need evidence. This is why I pointed out the lesson of Thomas and his skepticism.

To seek Earthly evidence is to admit your own lack of faith in the holy bible and the lord. Like it or not you are a skeptic. And like all skeptics you demand evidence and further proclaim that you have it. But what if that evidence is false? What do you have then? What the popular atheists have is your faith by the balls and you handed them to them.
 
Angel said:
Know Thyself.
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What is with you and the centered bolded text? Could you at least attempt to write like people? If you want to have a meaningful discussion about a complex issue it would be helpful if you didn't make yourself any more difficult to understand than you already are.
 
MrWonka said:
What is with you and the centered bolded text? Could you at least attempt to write like people? If you want to have a meaningful discussion about a complex issue it would be helpful if you didn't make yourself any more difficult to understand than you already are.
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Presentation is a key consideration in communication. For a thread starter post I think my centered bolded text is admirably suited.
I regret that it doesn't work for you.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
And that is exactly what I was talking about. Older Christians only needed faith alone. But popular atheists like: Hitchens, Dawkins and even Bill Maher have changed the Christian apologists position to one of Earthly evidence instead of faith in the divine. And if that evidence turns out to be flawed, then your faith is only "a child-like myth". What you are saying is not only did these popular atheists win with their strategy, but faith alone is not enough; you need Earthly evidence. Yet the New Testament is clear that you only need faith. It seems that you have strayed from your faith in the divine. You were manipulated by ungodly talking heads, to believe that you have to have evidence or your faith can be shot down easily as merely a belief in a myth. Your belief in jesus christ as your savior is weak if you need evidence. This is why I pointed out the lesson of Thomas and his skepticism.
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Hitchens, Dawkins and even Bill Maher may have confused some people, but not the elect. Salvation is still by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and not by works, but that doesn't for a moment mean the faithful believe that when you do have evidence, that you have to have inject that into the salvation equation.

FreedomFromAll said:
To seek Earthly evidence is to admit your own lack of faith in the holy bible and the lord.
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Nope. Not at all. That's a false statement.
 
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