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The God Question

Atheist 2020 said:
I refute the Christian god the most. Yes, there are other gods and I do not have time to study them all. Once you study to refute one god the others are not that hard.
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Ok, refute the idea of a god that created the universe, set up the natural laws, then had no further interaction.

It!s one thing to say there’s no reason to think such an entity exists, but another to claim knowledge it does not.
 
pinqy said:
Ok, refute the idea of a god that created the universe, set up the natural laws, then had no further interaction.

It!s one thing to say there’s no reason to think such an entity exists, but another to claim knowledge it does not.
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Most would say, the god had died. The founding fathers were thinking that way. The problem with any god, it can take a month to design a new god and a lifetime of people to discard it. Your never going to change everyone. To kill a god, like the gods of the Greeks, you have to study them and say how they fit into the culture of there time. Then do the same with the Christian god we have today.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
Most would say, the god had died. The founding fathers were thinking that way. The problem with any god, it can take a month to design a new god and a lifetime of people to discard it. Your never going to change everyone. To kill a god, like the gods of the Greeks, you have to study them and say how they fit into the culture of there time. Then do the same with the Christian god we have today.
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Except my question was how can one state the existence of a god that is not claimed to have interacted with people does not exist
Your post doesn’t address that at sll
 
Logicman said:
"God is dead." - Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." - God
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Let's see you show that God actually said that. The first quote is what is known as a 'quote mine', and does not take into account what Nietzche was actually talking about, and the second one is a piece of meaningless rhetoric.
 
RAMOSS said:
Let's see you show that God actually said that. The first quote is what is known as a 'quote mine', and does not take into account what Nietzche was actually talking about, and the second one is a piece of meaningless rhetoric.
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Whistle for it Ramoss. It's a waste of time dealing with your anti-Christianity nonsense.
 
Logicman said:
Whistle for it Ramoss. It's a waste of time dealing with your anti-Christianity nonsense.
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Yet, your denial does not change the truth of my points. My points have nothing to do with 'anti-Christianity', but the misrepresentation of Nietzhe's remark, and the observation of the meaningless of your snark about what God said or did not say.
 
Rich2018 said:
Do not say that.
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You don't get to control what he says... You are not king.

Rich2018 said:
You're just playing into the hands of the Theist straw man argument that states that Atheists say there is no god.
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It is not a strawman argument... fallacy fallacy. It is what Atheism is.

Rich2018 said:
That's not what Atheists say.
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Oh no... He's not adhering to the mistaken "atheism is not a belief" mantra... better get him "back into line" ;) ;)
 
Atheist 2020 said:
Sorry to tell you this, there is no God. He is made up by the will of man.
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You have proven that God doesn't exist?? Care to provide this proof?

hint: the existence of god(s) cannot be proven or disproven. It leads to logical fallacies...
 
Rich2018 said:
No, there are many Agnostics who believe in god, despite what devildavid says.
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Wrong. An agnostic is not a theist, Rich...

Rich2018 said:
You cannot say that there is no god, because you can never know that.
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He doesn't HAVE to know that... He merely needs to accept as a true that there is no god. That is what belief is. He could simply accept the non-existence of gods, on a faith basis, as truth. However, he takes it too far and attempts to prove it. That makes him a fundamentalist, and makes his argumentation fallacious.

Rich2018 said:
All you can say is that you do not believe the arguments of the Theists that god and specifically THEIR god exists.
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Wrong. He can also say that he believes that god(s) do not exist, as he has done. That, in and of itself is fine, but the moment he attempts to prove his belief is the moment he starts arguing fallaciously...
 
pinqy said:
Which god concept are you refuting?
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Good question... People typically attempt to refute the Christian God, but he would have to answer that question...

pinqy said:
I’m certain there are some god concepts you have never heard of, so on what basis can you say you those gods don’t exist?
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The only valid basis is on a faith basis. Anything beyond a faith basis commits logical fallacies, typically the argument from ignorance fallacy.

pinqy said:
While is possible to show some god concepts are disproved by reality, it is not possible to do that for all.
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WRONG. It is not possible to disprove god(s). It is not possible to prove them either... Define 'reality'...
 
pinqy said:
Ok, refute the idea of a god that created the universe, set up the natural laws, then had no further interaction.
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Here, you are showing him his argument from ignorance fallacy.

pinqy said:
It!s one thing to say there’s no reason to think such an entity exists, but another to claim knowledge it does not.
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WRONG. Here, you are not realizing that this line of thinking you propose commits that same fallacy... Either way, one is committing the argument from ignorance fallacy by using that type of argumentation. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
Most would say, the god had died.
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Not necessarily...

Atheist 2020 said:
The founding fathers were thinking that way.
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Off topic...

Atheist 2020 said:
The problem with any god, it can take a month to design a new god and a lifetime of people to discard it.
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Why is that a problem? People believe what they believe... It only takes a second to believe the opposite from what they believe...

Atheist 2020 said:
Your never going to change everyone.
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Correct. Not everyone will change a particular belief of theirs. They might hold onto it for all their life.

Atheist 2020 said:
To kill a god, like the gods of the Greeks, you have to study them and say how they fit into the culture of there time. Then do the same with the Christian god we have today.
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That doesn't kill a god... It is impossible to do so... god(s) can't be proven/disproven...
 
pinqy said:
Except my question was how can one state the existence of a god that is not claimed to have interacted with people does not exist
Your post doesn’t address that at sll
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Correct... He ignored your question... You are exposing his argument from ignorance fallacy.
 
Angel said:
If the question about the existence of God cannot be asked without defining existence and God, then the distinction between Proposition One and Proposition Two cannot be maintained.
Can we stipulate that existence in the case of God cannot be defined? Or does this need an argument?
Can God be defined without reference to the nature of God?
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What god are you talking about? But before we can even talk about the existence of a particular god (or gods) we need to define what a god is. Given that there are only stories of gods and no actual evidence of any gods, the subject is dead in the water.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
What god are you talking about? But before we can even talk about the existence of a particular god (or gods) we need to define what a god is.
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That's fine.

FreedomFromAll said:
Given that there are only stories of gods and no actual evidence of any gods, the subject is dead in the water.
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Argument From Ignorance Fallacy. Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence.
 
Prop 1: This begs the question - does god exist without human consciousness? This question is obviously answered 'yes' by theists and 'no' by atheists, but it's interesting nonetheless. Did humans create god to answer their questions or did god create humans to fill a void god felt?

Then I ask, how can one be conscious of god without considering what god is, thus imagining god (prop 2) and violating the spirit of the OP?
 
Rich2018 said:
No, there are many Agnostics who believe in god.
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They believe in the possibility that God exists, but do not (and most admit that they cannot) know for certain. That does not make them theists. I am an agnostic, and have been accused of theism - even though I am not a theist in any stretch of the imagination.


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Atheist 2020 said:
I refute the Christian god the most. Yes, there are other gods and I do not have time to study them all. Once you study to refute one god the others are not that hard.
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There is no "most". You either refute, or you don't.


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