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Fake Jesus is bad for your education.

The Gospels that made it into the Bible pretty much skip from the birth of Jesus Christ to his adulthood, but there are other documents that chronicle the adventures of Jesus Christ: Boy Wonder. They're part of something called the New Testament Apocrypha, a series of books deemed unfit for inclusion due to concerns over the message they'd send or, in some cases, the number of faces they'd melt with their sheer awesomeness. Most of the stories are pretty normal fare -- healing lepers and raising the dead -- but some are so insane that we learn that the answer to, What would Jesus do? is Whatever the hell he wants.
The New Testament didn't just descend from the skies onto newsstands the morning after Jesus ascended up to heaven. The 27 books in modern Christian Bibles weren't declared official until over 300 years after Jesus walked the earth. By that time, thousands of sayings and stories about Jesus' life had to be left on the cutting-room floor. Such was the case of the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew. The name comes from the fact that it's basically an extended director's cut of the Gospel of Matthew that made the Bible, covering most of the same territory save for one regrettably deleted scene.
Two years after Jesus was born, King Herod got word of a child being called the "king of the Jews" and ordered that all two-year-old male children in Bethlehem be killed to protect his throne (making Herod the first, and last, member of the controversial "kill all babies" political platform). But God managed to warn Joseph in time, and the family fled before Herod's men arrived. You probably knew all that. What you may not have known is that on their way to Egypt, Jesus and his family stopped to rest in a cave, which, to their surprise, was populated by a herd of dragons. (What do you call a group of dragons? A flock? A pride? A concert?) Actual scaly, fire-breathing, winged lizard-dragons.

5 Real Deleted Bible Scenes In Which Jesus Kicks Some Ass | Cracked.com
 
Atheist 2020 said:
...I do not support a Jesus that understood the Greek language.
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Jesus was a nobleman, descended from kings. Indeed he may have been the rightful king of the Jews.

Why wouldn't he be able to read and write Greek ?
 
The language Jesus used to teach his disciples, with scriptures to back it up...

When Jesus was on earth, he probably spoke Hebrew. (John 19:20; 20:16; Acts 26:14)

He may also have used some Aramaic expressions that were common at that time. But he also knew the ancient Hebrew language spoken by Moses and the prophets, whose writings were read at the synagogues each week. (Luke 4:17-19; 24:44, 45; Acts 15:21)

And although Greek and Latin were spoken in Jesus’ time, the Bible does not say whether Jesus also spoke those languages.

The first followers of Jesus spoke Hebrew, but after his death, his disciples spoke other languages. (Read Acts 6:1.)

As the good news spread, many Christians spoke Greek rather than Hebrew. Because Greek was the common language, the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were distributed in Greek.* (See footnote.) Some feel that Matthew wrote his book in Hebrew and that it was then translated into Greek, perhaps by Matthew himself.

Also, the letters of the apostle Paul and other Bible books were written in Greek.
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Jehovah, the God of Communication — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
Atheist 2020 said:
1) Jesus (if he was a real man) never seen or got information of a manuscripts about him.
2) The earliest manuscripts was written after 70 CE ... were anyone having a memory of Jesus would be so small that they would be a nobody.
3) There was many manuscripts and it was not until the 4th century before it was accepted into the bible.
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Your "after 70 AD" date is somewhat late. Here's scores of scholars who agree on some earlier dates:

For Mark: Average date written 61.6 (72 scholars).
For Matthew: 65.5 (71 scholars)
And, for 1 Corinthians which mentions the resurrection: 55.2 (43 scholars)

A Chronological Order of The New Testament Books

Also, the earliest mention of the resurrection goes back to just a handful of years after the event. The following article explains the basis for this.

Earliest Mention of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ << The Righter Report

Atheist 2020 said:
Jesus and his 12 man group were homeless. When I see a homeless man or woman -- I do not see a rational person that can speak English or Spanish
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They were on the road almost 365.

Jesus wasn't rational? Thomas Jefferson said,

"I hold the precepts of Jesus, as delivered by himself, to be the most pure, benevolent, and sublime which have ever been preached to man."

What's irrational is calling Jesus irrational.
 
Rich2018 said:
Jesus was a nobleman, descended from kings. Indeed he may have been the rightful king of the Jews.

Why wouldn't he be able to read and write Greek ?
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Who were the parents of the Virgin Mary? Who were the parents of the father of Jesus? No Christian can tell you or me that. If Jesus was descended from Kings, you would have evidence from any bible of different faiths. Jesus was born with farm animals as the story goes; Fecal matter was all around Jesus, and that undermines the wealth and social standing of Jesus himself and his parents. With a community at that time, only 1% of the population could read and write. Jesus was born around fecal matter, and, he got himself to be in the society of the 1% that could read and write. Lets be logical, he never read or write or even speak Greek.
 
Carpenters are always drawn from the ranks of noblemen.
 
Logicman said:
Your "after 70 AD" date is somewhat late. Here's scores of scholars who agree on some earlier dates:

For Mark: Average date written 61.6 (72 scholars).
For Matthew: 65.5 (71 scholars)
And, for 1 Corinthians which mentions the resurrection: 55.2 (43 scholars)

Also, the earliest mention of the resurrection goes back to just a handful of years after the event. The following article explains the basis for this.
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With a world population of 9 billion people, you can only find 72 scholars agreeing with you with a early date. I lived 18 years in Ann Arbor Michigan, were people with PhD's debate with each other. If you have 72 PhD scholars agreeing with you -- your not in the mainstream.
 
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Atheist 2020 said:
Who were the parents of the Virgin Mary? Who were the parents of the father of Jesus? No Christian can tell you or me that.
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The genealogy of Jesus is in Matthew. He is also the Son of God according to various scriptures.

Atheist 2020 said:
Jesus was born with farm animals as the story goes; Fecal matter was all around Jesus, and that undermines the wealth and social standing of Jesus himself and his parents. With a community at that time, only 1% of the population could read and write. Jesus was born around fecal matter, and, he got himself to be in the society of the 1% that could read and write.
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Jesus' birth was announced by angels:

"And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.” - Luke chapter 2

Who else on earth had an angel of God announce the birth of a baby/savior to the world?

Atheist 2020 said:
Lets be logical, he never read or write or even speak Greek.
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Once again, that is not accurate.

Did Jesus & His Disciples Speak Greek? | Reasons for Jesus
 
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Atheist 2020 said:
With a world population of 9 billion people, you can only find 72 scholars agreeing with you with a early date. I lived 18 years in Ann Arbor Michigan, were people with PhD's debate with each other. If you have 72 PhD scholars agreeing with you -- your not in the mainstream.
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72 scholars is a lot more than the list you can provide for your unbiblical dating. Where's your list??

You also apparently have no answer for the "Earliest Mention of the Resurrection" in the article I referenced.

And 72 scholars is just a sampling. I'm sure there are plenty more out there.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
Who were the parents of the Virgin Mary? Who were the parents of the father of Jesus? No Christian can tell you or me that. If Jesus was descended from Kings, you would have evidence from any bible of different faiths. Jesus was born with farm animals as the story goes; Fecal matter was all around Jesus, and that undermines the wealth and social standing of Jesus himself and his parents. With a community at that time, only 1% of the population could read and write. Jesus was born around fecal matter, and, he got himself to be in the society of the 1% that could read and write. Lets be logical, he never read or write or even speak Greek.
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Riiiight...he was deaf and dumb, too...:roll:
 
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Just an excuse.. a lousy one at that. It merely reinforces that point I made previous.
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Nope. I will not waste my time feeding you good information that you continually kick to the curb. So don't bother me with your nonsense.
 
Logicman said:
Nope. I will not waste my time feeding you good information that you continually kick to the curb. So don't bother me with your nonsense.
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In other words. you do not have information that will withstand scrutiny. That is the pattern with you. Unsupported claims and misinformation can not hold up to rational examination very well.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
Who were the parents of the Virgin Mary? Who were the parents of the father of Jesus? No Christian can tell you or me that. If Jesus was descended from Kings, you would have evidence from any bible of different faiths. Jesus was born with farm animals as the story goes; Fecal matter was all around Jesus, and that undermines the wealth and social standing of Jesus himself and his parents. With a community at that time, only 1% of the population could read and write. Jesus was born around fecal matter, and, he got himself to be in the society of the 1% that could read and write. Lets be logical, he never read or write or even speak Greek.
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Oh and try reading for a change...Matthew 1:1-16; Luke 3:23-38...

Both Matthew and Luke signify that Joseph was not Jesus’ actual father but only his adoptive father, giving him legal right. Matthew departs from the style used throughout his genealogy when he comes to Jesus, saying: “Jacob became father to Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.” (Mt 1:16) Notice that he does not say ‘Joseph became father to Jesus’ but that he was “the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born.” Luke is even more pointed when, after showing earlier that Jesus was actually the Son of God by Mary (Lu 1:32-35), he says: “Jesus . . . being the son, as the opinion was, of Joseph, son of Heli.”​—Lu 3:23.
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Genealogy of Jesus Christ — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
Logicman said:
72 scholars is a lot more than the list you can provide for your unbiblical dating. Where's your list??

You also apparently have no answer for the "Earliest Mention of the Resurrection" in the article I referenced.

And 72 scholars is just a sampling. I'm sure there are plenty more out there.
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I am a book worm, and I try to read around 120 books a year. If there is a book dealing with Christian values, written by a PhD and teaches from a middle of the road college -- I get the book. Now the mainstream scholars would say they might have a early document after 70 CE. This is another point to question: how old is the document before it was used (5 years, 20 years?) to be written on in the first place.
 
Elvira said:
Oh and try reading for a change...Matthew 1:1-16; Luke 3:23-38...
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The King James Bible is just over 400 years old. From the birth of Jesus and the King James Bible, is over 1600 years old; There is a difference of 80 generations that understood Jesus without the King James Bible. If we are defending the King James Bible with American values: then we are defending with America having four percent of the world population. Second, not all Americans reads the Kings James Bible to worship their faith (like the Catholics). Third, there are people like me that does not believe in god.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
The King James Bible is just over 400 years old. From the birth of Jesus and the King James Bible, is over 1600 years old; There is a difference of 80 generations that understood Jesus without the King James Bible. If we are defending the King James Bible with American values: then we are defending with America having four percent of the world population. Second, not all Americans reads the Kings James Bible to worship their faith (like the Catholics). Third, there are people like me that does not believe in god.
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I don't use the KJV as a rule...it is one of the least accurate translations there is...I use a translation that is translated from Hebrew and Greek...what the original manuscripts were written in...
 
zyzygy said:
The Gospels that made it into the Bible pretty much skip from the birth of Jesus Christ to his adulthood, but there are other documents that chronicle the adventures of Jesus Christ: Boy Wonder. They're part of something called the New Testament Apocrypha, a series of books deemed unfit for inclusion due to concerns over the message they'd send or, in some cases, the number of faces they'd melt with their sheer awesomeness. Most of the stories are pretty normal fare -- healing lepers and raising the dead -- but some are so insane that we learn that the answer to, What would Jesus do? is Whatever the hell he wants.
The New Testament didn't just descend from the skies onto newsstands the morning after Jesus ascended up to heaven. The 27 books in modern Christian Bibles weren't declared official until over 300 years after Jesus walked the earth. By that time, thousands of sayings and stories about Jesus' life had to be left on the cutting-room floor. Such was the case of the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew. The name comes from the fact that it's basically an extended director's cut of the Gospel of Matthew that made the Bible, covering most of the same territory save for one regrettably deleted scene.
Two years after Jesus was born, King Herod got word of a child being called the "king of the Jews" and ordered that all two-year-old male children in Bethlehem be killed to protect his throne (making Herod the first, and last, member of the controversial "kill all babies" political platform). But God managed to warn Joseph in time, and the family fled before Herod's men arrived. You probably knew all that. What you may not have known is that on their way to Egypt, Jesus and his family stopped to rest in a cave, which, to their surprise, was populated by a herd of dragons. (What do you call a group of dragons? A flock? A pride? A concert?) Actual scaly, fire-breathing, winged lizard-dragons.

5 Real Deleted Bible Scenes In Which Jesus Kicks Some Ass | Cracked.com
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Those books are a fun read. I've always wondered why the guys that put the bible together left all of that out but included the book of Revelation, which is just as whacky, maybe worse.
 
Elvira said:
I don't use the KJV as a rule...it is one of the least accurate translations there is...I use a translation that is translated from Hebrew and Greek...what the original manuscripts were written in...
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Well, your really reading is a bible that came to being during your life time. Question is, what translation is the true version. There will be a time, like the dawn of the twenty-third century -- a new translation of a Christian bible. They can say, your translation is not the true bible.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
Well, your really reading is a bible that came to being during your life time. Question is, what translation is the true version. There will be a time, like the dawn of the twenty-third century -- a new translation of a Christian bible. They can say, your translation is not the true bible.
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Wrong...if it is a translation taken from the original languages of Hebrew and Greek, it's as close as you're gonna get to being the real thing...
 
Elvira said:
Wrong...if it is a translation taken from the original languages of Hebrew and Greek, it's as close as you're gonna get to being the real thing...
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The King James Bible was written with a belief -- the translation was with the understanding to be as close as the original languages of Hebrew and Greek. This is my point, what bible translation is the true translation? If you say, it is the King James Bible, then everyone born and lived from the first half of the first century to the translation of the King James Bible are in hell.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
As a atheist, I need to have a better understanding of God and Jesus: then the average Christian. If Jesus was alive, he had to understand reading and writing of Greek: plus the 12 men that followed him also. Because, the early writing of Jesus was in Greek. Greek, was spoken in the area were Jesus was: but, it was not the common speaking and reading of Jewish religious people during the first century during the first half of that century. If I was a fisherman, I have business skills dealing with fishing and selling of the fish: and feeding myself. I would have some basic skills speaking Greek, and that's all the skills they had. Leaving the business of getting fish and selling it for a man that is poor and not connected to any religious group is irrational. Following a man that is poor, and has a death wish to be killed --makes Jesus to be mentally ill.
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Given that you identify so strongly as an atheist that you put it in your name, I doubt there's anything I will be able to do to change your mind in the least, nor do I feel particularly moved to, so not really debating, but I do have a question, if you would allow it.

Why do you figure that, as an atheist, you need to know the Bible better than Christians? Why do you care at all? Just curious, probably won't be a follow up.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
The King James Bible was written with a belief -- the translation was with the understanding to be as close as the original languages of Hebrew and Greek. This is my point, what bible translation is the true translation? If you say, it is the King James Bible, then everyone born and lived from the first half of the first century to the translation of the King James Bible are in hell.
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Why do you keep harping on the KJV? You act as though it is the original writings...it is not...you have a very narrow minded view...
 
OlNate said:
Given that you identify so strongly as an atheist that you put it in your name, I doubt there's anything I will be able to do to change your mind in the least, nor do I feel particularly moved to, so not really debating, but I do have a question, if you would allow it.

Why do you figure that, as an atheist, you need to know the Bible better than Christians? Why do you care at all? Just curious, probably won't be a follow up.
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It started with me when one of my coworker (during 1998) was a converted Mormon that tried to convince me to join the church (during 1998 I was a agnostic). He told me, he told his father that being a Catholic you are a pagan. The more I studied the Mormons, the more questions with different types of bibles. Should I follow my coworker ideology that all Christians are going to hell. True, they have baptism of the dead, just to get Christians out of hell. Or, should I join and become a Catholic because they have over 1.3 billion members; Or, should I become a Mormon. Even that I am a atheist, if I was going to join a religion - which faith should I join?
 
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