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To hell with catholic cardinals, now it is gays who are to blame for their child rape issue

EMNofSeattle said:
You do not need to drop out of school due to pregnancy nor college. In fact there’s more options and flexibility then ever before. “Fulfilling your potential to society” is a non specific emotional term that is meaningless. A handful of girls in my high school got pregnant and none of them didn’t graduate. This is a myth.
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Nobody said anyone 'needed' to. That's why abortion is a personal choice. You dont get to make that choice for other people, YOU dont know what is best for them, their capabilities, their other obligations and commitments, the other dependents they already have, etc.

It's called self-determination. Why is the unborn more entitled to that than a woman, since you are so willing to take it from women and give it to the unborn? Please answer.


You, nor anyone else, has the right to tell a woman she must make those sacrifices to her life and health and future against her will. And fortunately, our Constitution protects women from having to 'obey' your personal repressive morality.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Babies adopt out fast, if you give a baby up for adoption he/she will be adopted. The jam in the foster system is teenagers.
And even if this were true, it doesn’t justify murder. I mean we put down dogs that cannot be adopted, so your philsophy is immoral and dehumanizing.
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So you have completely lost the ability to connect the dots? This just boggles the mind:

Lursa: There are over 100,000 kids waiting to be adopted in the US today

EMN: Babies adopt out fast, if you give a baby up for adoption he/she will be adopted.

Funny...those 100,000 started out as newborns and most entered the system as infants. I wasnt writing about foster kids, there are more than 400,000 of those in America.

And I also pointed out WHY adding MORE (I'm adding emphasis with caps since I dont know any simpler words to try and explain this) newborns actively HARMS those already waiting: because when a new infant is added to that pool of kids waiting...it means (please try really hard here to understand): one of those kids waiting and hoping for a family WONT get one.

So we have aware, suffering kids harmed for no good reason except that you believe women should add more unwanted, unaffordable kids to the planet? :doh Again: more rational thinking supports not doing so unnecessarily.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
You mean other then the million deaths every year?
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Yes, please be very clear: how did the loss of those 600,000 unborn a year (the more accurate #) harm society. Please be specific.

The question was: please list the negative effects of abortion on society (for the rest of our viewing audience :))
 
Lursa said:
Another joke?

Wait, if you're serious, I'll just notify all the rehab centers and counselors and AA meetings in America and let them know! :doh

Food for thought: sometimes, you should consider not answering at all if the answer you scrape up is going to demonstrate a clear lack of mental limitations.
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I simply do not care, your mental health or addictions are only a defense to murder insofar as diminished capacity and not justification
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I simply do not care, your mental health or addictions are only a defense to murder insofar as diminished capacity and not justification
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So then you feel that it's better to produce, ***unnecessarily***more children with fetal alcohol syndrome, severe physical and mental defects from drug use, etc? Kids that are not generally adoptable to begin with?

Yes, again, I've see it personally, for decades. All those kids in foster care...most were the result of what I just described. Some so severely defective that they were permanently mental infants, blind, deaf, no motor skills, so had to be changed and fed all day, like infants. With no hope of anything more. And once too big for their foster families to pick up...sent to state facilities to be stored like cordwood, no longer to know a loving touch.

I saw this all the time since my family was close friends with foster families at church.

My parents started taking in special needs infants when I left for college. They had many special needs infants to foster and they adopted 2 of my sisters who have many mental and physical challenges. As do their other 2 sisters and brother. All from a drug-abusing whore who eventually died of AIDS.

You demonstrate a very common religious adherence....to life at all costs. (After all, if they survive, then more $$$ in the collection plate!)

The more compassionate try to balance a heartbeat with quality of life.

There are many lessons the fundamentalist religious (and I use 'fundamentalist' to mean people that follow blindly) could learn from the more broadly educated, open-minded, moral , and compassionate.
 
The Hitler theory...kill off the less than perfect people...they have no right to live because they are draining on society...got it...:roll:
 
Lursa said:
There are many lessons the fundamentalist religious (and I use 'fundamentalist' to mean people that follow blindly) could learn from the more broadly educated, open-minded, moral , and compassionate.
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Now it's compassionate to murder the innocent unborn?

Being "open-minded" to the degree that one kicks God and his moral commandments to the curb and turn America into a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah will win its adherents a one-way ticket to Hell.

And don't confuse "broadly educated" with Godly wisdom. Bill Clinton was broadly educated and because of his moral debauchery he assaulted women and was impeached.
 
Logicman said:
Now it's compassionate to murder the innocent unborn?

Being "open-minded" to the degree that one kicks God and his moral commandments to the curb and turn America into a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah will win its adherents a one-way ticket to Hell.

And don't confuse "broadly educated" with Godly wisdom. Bill Clinton was broadly educated and because of his moral debauchery he assaulted women and was impeached.
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Let's discuss an actual case. A woman was pregnant with triplets. One was malformed, and not viable. If she did not abort that one fetus, the other two fetuses would die.

Because the nonviable fetus was terminated, that allowed the other two fetuses to develop normally and live.
 
RAMOSS said:
Let's discuss an actual case.
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Go find someone else. I don't consider your postings to reflect the truth about pretty much anything. So I'm not wasting my time with you.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I simply do not care, your mental health or addictions are only a defense to murder insofar as diminished capacity and not justification
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Nobody said it's justification. But it's unethical...unconscionable...to encourage a woman who wont stop doing drugs or drinking to have the child if she doesnt want it. Because it means there's a very high risk of severe and permanent physical or mental defects (or both).

You care more about punishing the woman than the outcome for a healthy child.

Again: you hold no moral High Ground here at all.

I prefer quality of life over quantity. For both women and children. You only care about the unborn and punishing women who dont behave as you want.
 
Logicman said:
Now it's compassionate to murder the innocent unborn?

Being "open-minded" to the degree that one kicks God and his moral commandments to the curb and turn America into a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah will win its adherents a one-way ticket to Hell.

And don't confuse "broadly educated" with Godly wisdom. Bill Clinton was broadly educated and because of his moral debauchery he assaulted women and was impeached.
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It's completely dependent on the effects of the woman. Does it destroy her life? Does it cause her pain and suffering? Loss of her ability to hold up her obligations and commitments in life? That decision is up to her. If she decides that abortion is the best course, then, since the unborn knows and suffers nothing, it's ridiculous to imagine even you believe that there's anything compassionate about forcing that women to remain pregnant against her will.

Do you feel that would be compassionate?

And while people can be well-educated and devout...you are not an example of such.
 
Lursa said:
And while people can be well-educated and devout...you are not an example of such.
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Yeah, I've only got three degrees along with Christ as my Savior. You have what? Just more hot air from what I can see.
 
Lursa said:
Nobody said it's justification. But it's unethical...unconscionable...to encourage a woman who wont stop doing drugs or drinking to have the child if she doesnt want it. Because it means there's a very high risk of severe and permanent physical or mental defects (or both).

You care more about punishing the woman than the outcome for a healthy child.

Again: you hold no moral High Ground here at all.

I prefer quality of life over quantity. For both women and children. You only care about the unborn and punishing women who dont behave as you want.
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Giving birth is not a punishment. It is a consequence of natural behavior, not a legislated puntitive consequence. I know you’re a full on Sangerite.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Giving birth is not a punishment. It is a consequence of natural behavior, not a legislated puntitive consequence. I know you’re a full on Sangerite.
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if its forced, options are denied forcing her to risk her health and life against her will and her rights are violated it is punishment. Not saying you want that but if abortion is outlawed then thats factually what happens. :shrug:
 
Logicman said:
Yeah, I've only got three degrees along with Christ as my Savior. You have what? Just more hot air from what I can see.
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Yes but from all that I've read from you here...those 3 degrees are completely worthless.
 
Lursa said:
Yes but from all that I've read from you here...those 3 degrees are completely worthless.
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You don't have a clue about what they even are. You just have a poor outlook on anyone who disagrees with your jack-legged theology and world view.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Giving birth is not a punishment. It is a consequence of natural behavior, not a legislated puntitive consequence. I know you’re a full on Sangerite.
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It is a legislated punitive consequence if it's forced on a woman without her consent by the govt.

And Sanger was against abortion.
 
It's not very loving/compassionate to kill babies who've never had a chance, either...:roll:
 
Logicman said:
You don't have a clue about what they even are. You just have a poor outlook on anyone who disagrees with your jack-legged theology and world view.
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On some things we agree wholeheartedly...this is one of them...
 
Elvira said:
It's not very loving/compassionate to kill babies who've never had a chance, either...:roll:
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Correct...I provide love and compassion to those that actually can experience it...and would suffer otherwise.

None of that is possible with the unborn. If you imagine they do...your fantasy is self-indulgent and false.
 
Lursa said:
Correct...I provide love and compassion to those that actually can experience it...and would suffer otherwise.

None of that is possible with the unborn. If you imagine they do...your fantasy is self-indulgent and false.
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lol...
 
Logicman said:
You don't have a clue about what they even are. You just have a poor outlook on anyone who disagrees with your jack-legged theology and world view.
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No, I've seen your claims about your 'degrees' before. It doesnt even matter what they are...from what I've read in your posts...my only frame of reference...they are useless to society. Any claims you make to Christianity only do direct harm to the religion and I'd have a hard time believing any legitimate degree taught or supports the hate and misogyny and intolerance that you claim falsely in our Lord's Name.
 
Lursa said:
No, I've seen your claims about your 'degrees' before. It doesnt even matter what they are...from what I've read in your posts...my only frame of reference...they are useless to society. Any claims you make to Christianity only do direct harm to the religion and I'd have a hard time believing any legitimate degree taught or supports the hate and misogyny and intolerance that you claim falsely in our Lord's Name.
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Don't bother me with your lies and nonsense.
 
Lursa said:
It is a legislated punitive consequence if it's forced on a woman without her consent by the govt.

And Sanger was against abortion.
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It’s not forced by the govenment, getting pregnant was a willing choice
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It’s not forced by the govenment, getting pregnant was a willing choice
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Yes...I see your blind bias enabled you to miss (or dishonestly pretend to miss) where I wrote 'remain' pregnant.

And the govt recognizes it has no right to violate our Constitutional rights or bodily sovereignty to do so.

After all...that would be punitive and abusive besides unConstitutional, esp. when you consider that abortion is 14 times safer for women than pregnancy/childbirth AND there's nothing in the Constitution about protecting the unborn at all :mrgreen:

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Getting a legal abortion is much safer than giving birth, suggests a new U.S. study published Monday.

Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.

Abortion safer than giving birth: study | Reuters
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How can the govt ever justify *forcing women to remain pregnant against their will* at such a risk? They cant...thus, they dont.
 
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