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[W:103]The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

Omega Man said:
Here, I just found a biblical map of Jerusalem from the early 1st century. Take heed of the numbers 5 (Garden of Gethsemane arrest) and 6 (Caiaphas residence). No matter which direction you take, no matter which gate they enter, Jesus has to march thru occupied areas to get to Caiaphas.

https://www.bible-history.com/map_jesus/MAPJESUSMap_of_the_Last_Passover_and_Dea.htm


OM
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Sorry but this theory of yours is a massive, narrative leap based on nothing. My theory is based strictly on what was written.

If this half naked youth came out of his house to support Jesus, Mark would have written it down that way. In one of his earlier passages he wrote of a woman pouring perfume over Jesus's head, dont you think he would have placed this youth into further context by writing a line or even just another word in?

If he had written "a youth, clad only in a linen cloth, came out of his house to defend Jesus" then yes, your theory would make sense, but there isnt any of that at all.

The fact of the matter is Matthew and Luke omiitted this youth from their narrative entirely. I think they knew full well what the implications were.
 
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PoS said:
Sorry but this theory of yours is a massive, narrative leap based on nothing. My theory is based strictly on what was written.

If this half naked youth came out of his house to support Jesus, Mark would have written it down that way.
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Your interpretation doesn't make any sense. Like as if the Bible is specific and detailed, throughout! :roll:

It need not be specifically stated by Mark if the youth came from elsewhere. Maybe Mark doesn't even know this youth, and didn't know where he came from!

What we do know is that he's "following" Jesus - which means, he could've been a disciple, or he was following Jesus because of the event that was happening (Jesus being arrested). The commotion (there was violence involved, remember? With an apostle cutting off the ear of one of the guards).
Jesus even had to stop His disciples from resorting to violence! Use your imagination!
You think it was a quiet night? There was no yelling and outrage?
No screaming, especially when followers started to flee? :lol:


Surely, a commotion like that would've attracted some gawkers! Lol, just seeing a bunch of soldiers with their followers marching by with an obvious purpose would've gotten the attention of some people!
Some would've followed just to see what's up.
It could've been what lured him to follow (with no time to change clothes), to see what's happening!
He could've been a gawker!


There are people who are attracted to spectacles, or even things like disasters - it happens even today,
in our everyday lives. How many people gawk at a fire? At a confrontation?



What stood out to Mark regarding the youth was that, the youth ended up fleeing naked when he was seized!
His linen garment came off!

Your interpretation isn't realistic. It's contrived.
Your portrayal is what makes a lot of B-movies what they are.



A Columbo you can't be. Don't get into any script-writing, too. :mrgreen:
 
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Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

Peter King said:
You mean into nothing? And sadly christianity or better said the religious leaders/churches have been violating their own tenets for centuries and I can and will diss where I feel it is fitting.
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I'll agree with that...all the more reason to heed John's warning in Revelation 18:4...“Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues."
 
Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

tosca1 said:
Hahahaha - you're the one who brought up the Holy Man, OM!
I merely pointed out that you're wrong with your claim. :lol:

How did you know about Jesus, if not from the same source that I did - which you claimed to have read, btw. :lamo
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You're going full circular. I don't have to subscribe to the stories to know of the stories.


OM
 
Re: The Christian Religion and Homosexuality

PoS said:
Sorry but this theory of yours is a massive, narrative leap based on nothing. My theory is based strictly on what was written.

If this half naked youth came out of his house to support Jesus, Mark would have written it down that way. In one of his earlier passages he wrote of a woman pouring perfume over Jesus's head, dont you think he would have placed this youth into further context by writing a line or even just another word in?

If he had written "a youth, clad only in a linen cloth, came out of his house to defend Jesus" then yes, your theory would make sense, but there isnt any of that at all.

The fact of the matter is Matthew and Luke omiitted this youth from their narrative entirely. I think they knew full well what the implications were.
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Hmmm. All things considered, I find it somewhat difficult to believe that you are an author. One would think you are able to discern distinctive writing styles for distinctive cultures from distinctive eras, and who their target audiences were. I have demonstrated quite aptly for you how your "homosexual liaison in the park" is the wildest conjecture out there; far beyond those of the specifics I have provided for your benefit. But hey, you're free to embrace your confirmation bias as long as you feel is necessary. The developing story line and narrative of eroding support is right there in black and white.


OM
 
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Omega Man said:
Hmmm. All things considered, I find it somewhat difficult to believe that you are an author. One would think you are able to discern distinctive writing styles for distinctive cultures from distinctive eras, and who their target audiences were. I have demonstrated quite aptly for you how your "homosexual liaison in the park" is the wildest conjecture out there; far beyond those of the specifics I have provided for your benefit. But hey, you're free to embrace your confirmation bias as long as you feel is necessary. The developing story line and narrative of eroding support is right there in black and white.


OM
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Well, youre free to choose what you believe in as well. In writing, a simple omission or inclusion of a word can completely alter the story, and I'm pretty sure the writer of Mark's Gospel knew this. In your case, you made up a complete narrative that doesnt exist, and is highly dependent upon circumstantial evidence that has no relation to the tale. I doubt youve done a whole lot of thinking with what Mark was trying to say.
 
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PoS said:
Well, youre free to choose what you believe in as well. In writing, a simple omission or inclusion of a word can completely alter the story, and I'm pretty sure the writer of Mark's Gospel knew this. In your case, you made up a complete narrative that doesnt exist, and is highly dependent upon circumstantial evidence that has no relation to the tale. I doubt youve done a whole lot of thinking with what Mark was trying to say.
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On the contrary, I'm not inventing anything, unlike that whole "it's obviously a gay hook up in an urban park" scenario. All I did was read the story and discern the plot developments. Eroding support. Late at night. Marching into the city. Man in his sleeping garments grabbing hold of Jesus. It's fairly obvious this has nothing to do with a gay hook up. Come on man.

Again, I'll refer to Occam's Razor on this one.


OM
 
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Omega Man said:
You're going full circular.
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No, I'm not.



I don't have to subscribe to the stories to know of the stories.
OM
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But your knowledge is obviously lacking. How could you've missed that about Jesus? :lol:
 
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Omega Man said:
On the contrary, I'm not inventing anything, unlike that whole "it's obviously a gay hook up in an urban park" scenario. All I did was read the story and discern the plot developments. Eroding support. Late at night. Marching into the city. Man in his sleeping garments grabbing hold of Jesus. It's fairly obvious this has nothing to do with a gay hook up. Come on man.

Again, I'll refer to Occam's Razor on this one.


OM
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LOL you do realize that Occam's Razor was a flawed philosophical theory right? The explanation for the half naked youth can be a myriad of things.

There was no march in the city written in that gospel prior to the mention of the youth. The scenes describe his arrest, and then the young man getting his clothes torn off. The narration of Jesus being taken to the high priest came after the part with the youth in it.
 
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PoS said:
LOL you do realize that Occam's Razor was a flawed philosophical theory right? The explanation for the half naked youth can be a myriad of things.

There was no march in the city written in that gospel prior to the mention of the youth. The scenes describe his arrest, and then the young man getting his clothes torn off. The narration of Jesus being taken to the high priest came after the part with the youth in it.
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No, Occam;s razor is not flawed, but it is misunderstood a lot
 
Logicman said:
If any homosexuals were killed, then it was a violation of the teachings of Jesus. And you can't diss Christianity by citing examples of people who violate its tenets.

There's one other thing: No unrepentant, unbelieving homosexuals will enter into heaven (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Rev. 21:8, etc.). That leaves only one other place for them to be, and you know what that is. So, if people think the murder of a homosexual is awful - and it is - then where they wind up a few minutes or hours later is the real tragedy. People need to wise up.
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Seeing as you are not god, you have no idea whether non believing non repentant homosexuals can enter heaven.
 
devildavid said:
Seeing as you are not god, you have no idea whether non believing non repentant homosexuals can enter heaven.
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It's the Word of God.

By the way, the other day when you claimed there were many paths to heaven, I asked you if Jesus was real and one of those?

You didn't answer.

What's your answer?
 
devildavid said:
Seeing as you are not god, you have no idea whether non believing non repentant homosexuals can enter heaven.
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Actually, the Bible tells us they cannot..1 Corinthians 6:9,10...
 
Logicman said:
It's the Word of God.

By the way, the other day when you claimed there were many paths to heaven, I asked you if Jesus was real and one of those?

You didn't answer.

What's your answer?
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That is your unfounded claim. The New Testament isn't the "Word of God".
 
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tosca1 said:
Yes, we're talking about marriage - from the doctrine of the Christian religion!

Within what context?
That sexual union in the eyes of the Christian God is between a man and his wife - a male and a female!

Let's stay focused.




As for deterring, stopping and "demonizing" gays. In our society, no one is forcing gays to stop being gays!
If they want to be saved, they have to follow the rules of God.

It's a choice they have to make.

It doesn't make them any different than the rest of us:
if we want to be saved, we have to follow the rules.

It all boils down to a person's purpose why he became a Christian.
If you aim for the promise given by God, then you have to qualify. The rules are given.
We only fool ourselves if we think or even imagine God will conform to the world.
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Again, the US is not a theocracy where a church or a religion gets to determine marriage, that is the Governments choice as many benefits are given to those who are married and churches have no right to determine what the state determines is marriage.

Sure, gays are not being discriminated against massively, with full support of small government conservatives except of course when the church wants to ram through their opinion through the throats of the entire nation. Then big government and government interference is perfectly fine.
 
Logicman said:
It's the Word of God.

By the way, the other day when you claimed there were many paths to heaven, I asked you if Jesus was real and one of those?

You didn't answer.

What's your answer?
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You are not god.

I said there were many paths to the same destination. I did not say that the destination was heaven.
 
blarg said:
then what a ****tard god you must have
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It's not him. It's the lack of the spiritual in those who ignorantly deny and mock him.

As the scripture says, "But the natural (unbelieving; carnal minded) man does not understand the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14
 
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