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[W: 344][W:64]Salvation by Faith vs. Salvation by Works

Re: Salvation by Faith vs. Salvation by Works

Tanngrisnir said:
It's not necessarily in this thread. Based on my interactions with that poster over time, I've observered rank dishonesty and a complete and utter ignorance of the teachings of the bible.
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:lamo Comedy gold. So, you're a biblical scholar now.:2razz:
 
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zyzygy said:
You cannot back up your claims about a god.
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I only claim what scripture claims. Like I said, it is a pointless discussion because you demand to see God in front of you.
 
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veritas1 said:
I only claim what scripture claims. Like I said, it is a pointless discussion because you demand to see God in front of you.
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If you have never seen him/her/it then how do you know that this god exists?
 
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zyzygy said:
If you have never seen him/her/it then how do you know that this god exists?
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You demand a sign but you will not get the one you demand.
 
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Logicman said:
You won't find God in a test tube, OM. And you won't find him on the current path you're taking either.

But he has been found by the vast majority of Americans.
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So the Book of Mormon is true?
 
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veritas1 said:
:lamo Comedy gold. So, you're a biblical scholar now.:2razz:
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The Bible is very easy to study. A biblical scholar is almost a contradiction in terms.
 
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veritas1 said:
I only claim what scripture claims. Like I said, it is a pointless discussion because you demand to see God in front of you.
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Why do you claim what scripture claims? Do you even claim the biblical mistakes and contradictions?
 
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zyzygy said:
The Bible is very easy to study. A biblical scholar is almost a contradiction in terms.
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lol...you and a few others prove that statement false time and time again...:lamo
 
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zyzygy said:
The Bible is very easy to study. A biblical scholar is almost a contradiction in terms.
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People spend a lifetime studying it. Reading and understanding are not synonymous.
 
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zyzygy said:
Why do you claim what scripture claims? Do you even claim the biblical mistakes and contradictions?
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I'm not going to get into a long discussion about what skeptics think are "mistakes and contradictions". I believe the message proclaimed by the gospels. That is the essential part.
 
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veritas1 said:
People spend a lifetime studying it. Reading and understanding are not synonymous.
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It is very easy to understand. Quote an intellectually challenging verse from the bible.
 
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veritas1 said:
I'm not going to get into a long discussion about what skeptics think are "mistakes and contradictions". I believe the message proclaimed by the gospels. That is the essential part.
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There are mistakes and contradictions and one does not need to be a sceptic in order to spot them.
 
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The Reformation began (1517), in an effort led by Martin Luther (95 theses) to reform the Roman Catholic Church and the abuses found within it. Martin Luthers "watchwords" were "by faith alone". That man through faith could achieve salvation. I think this is the basis for most modern christian religious thought on salvation.
 
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veritas1 said:
:lamo
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In my experience, many Christians have never read the Bible

"Americans have a positive view of the Bible. And many say the Christian scriptures are filled with moral lessons for today.

However, more than half of Americans have read little or none of the Bible.

Less than a quarter of those who have ever read a Bible have a systematic plan for reading the Christian scriptures each day. And a third of Americans never pick it up on their own, according to a new study from Nashville-based LifeWay Research."

LifeWay Research: Americans Are Fond of the Bible, Don’t Actually Read It


"The majority of Church of England Christians don't read the Bible, the church's own polling has revealed.

Figures show that 60 per cent of self-declared followers of the Church admit they never read the Bible"

Most Church of England Christians never read the Bible, survey finds
 
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veritas1 said:
Yet you are always the first to engage. Wonder why that is.
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You are always the second to engage. I wonder why that is? (question mark).
 
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And then there are some people who've only read the Bible twice...:2razz:
 
Re: Salvation by Faith vs. Salvation by Works

zyzygy said:
In my experience, many Christians have never read the Bible

"Americans have a positive view of the Bible. And many say the Christian scriptures are filled with moral lessons for today.

However, more than half of Americans have read little or none of the Bible.

Less than a quarter of those who have ever read a Bible have a systematic plan for reading the Christian scriptures each day. And a third of Americans never pick it up on their own, according to a new study from Nashville-based LifeWay Research."

LifeWay Research: Americans Are Fond of the Bible, Don’t Actually Read It


"The majority of Church of England Christians don't read the Bible, the church's own polling has revealed.

Figures show that 60 per cent of self-declared followers of the Church admit they never read the Bible"

Most Church of England Christians never read the Bible, survey finds
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I don't speak for anyone but myself.
 
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