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Seeing the Unseen

Angel said:
The materialist-atheist world is a soulless meaningless accident in a soulless meaningless universe, and to view it as anything more is the Ultimate Fantasy.
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Unmitigated bull****
 
Pedestrian said:
See What I mean about believers coming here ? Why ?

All the forum gets is somebody's idea of what's important and...it ain't believing.

Now I get it is their faith that must send them on a duty to 'save' me and you. But from what ?
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Why assume it's personal? Because we say it's on your behalf? What if it is our own way of exploring our own understanding? Would it be so wrong to challenge ourselves? So wrong if that was shared?

There is a tendency around this entire site to see our rebuttals as perhaps more profound than they actual are outside a common reference. I consider myself no exception although I feel it still to be true.

So once again, this time non-believers are delusional, not those who really have delusions about god and faith.
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You think there is overwhellming proof in dispute of claims toward concepts I doubt you can even sensibly define? :lamo It is easy to be guilty of the crime of being guilty.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Right. These people want everyone to live in their ugly little world.
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It doesn't matter what world anyone WANTS to live in, it only matters what world they ACTUALLY DO LIVE IN!

Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
 
lwf said:
IWe know that all of our senses and emotions can be traced to chemical compounds in our brains altering the firing pattern of our neurons.
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That is just not true. You must have dreamed you read that somewhere.
 
zyzygy said:
Delusions, hallucinations.
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Most human beings in all times and places have been hallucinating and delusional. Except your little group of materialists. You are sane, almost everyone else is crazy.

Makes sense to you I guess.
 
Angel said:
The materialist-atheist world is a soulless meaningless accident in a soulless meaningless universe, and to view it as anything more is the Ultimate Fantasy.
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They don't care, there's always prozac.
 
Pedestrian said:
See What I mean about believers coming here ? Why ?

All the forum gets is somebody's idea of what's important and...it ain't believing.

Now I get it is their faith that must send them on a duty to 'save' me and you. But from what ?

So once again, this time non-believers are delusional, not those who really have delusions about god and faith.
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Because they (materialists, transhumanists) think nature is dead and mindless and they can shove it around however they want. They think their interventions won't backfire. They don't understand anything about complexity. They are reductionists.

They are brainwashing young college students into their dangerous science fiction fantasy.
 
Cephus said:
It doesn't matter what world anyone WANTS to live in, it only matters what world they ACTUALLY DO LIVE IN!

Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?
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It's hard for me to comprehend why it's so hard for you to comprehend that you DO NOT KNOW what kind of world it is. No one has access to the information you think you have. Your "reality" is science fiction fantasy.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Religion and spirituality are all about things our physical senses don't perceive. They are also about aspects of our own minds that are normally hidden from us (called the unconscious or subconscious in psychology).

Some people are very focused on the perceptions of their physical senses. And some identify only with their conscious minds, and are not introspective.

If you are introspective, and if you sense that most of what goes on is behind the scenes or under the radar, then you might be more likely to be religious or spiritual.

Science and education are also factors. If you have been educated into thinking science and spirituality are opposed (even though they most definitely are NOT opposed), then you might shut down and deny your intuitions about the unseen.
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Who is doing that? is that a specific class? who is being educated that way? or are you talking about countries other than the US or family/personal teachings that rank up their with racism etc.
 
Angel said:
The materialist-atheist world is a soulless meaningless accident in a soulless meaningless universe, and to view it as anything more is the Ultimate Fantasy.
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Welcome to reality.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I already said that hallucinogenic drugs have been used since forever for inducing mystical experiences. And I said that doesn't mean the drugs create the experiences.

Drugs, and other things. can disable parts of the brain that focus attention on the physical world.
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Drugs impact the functioning of the brain and nervous system. They don't "disable" parts of the brain. Hallucinogenics can cause hallucinations. The drugs cause the effects.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Because they (materialists, transhumanists) think nature is dead and mindless and they can shove it around however they want. They think their interventions won't backfire. They don't understand anything about complexity. They are reductionists.

They are brainwashing young college students into their dangerous science fiction fantasy.
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What materialists claim that nature is dead?
 
devildavid said:
Drugs impact the functioning of the brain and nervous system. They don't "disable" parts of the brain. Hallucinogenics can cause hallucinations. The drugs cause the effects.
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No one knows that, no one has evidence for that. You think with your materialist ideology, not with logic.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I already said that hallucinogenic drugs have been used since forever for inducing mystical experiences. And I said that doesn't mean the drugs create the experiences.

Drugs, and other things. can disable parts of the brain that focus attention on the physical world.
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And, can you show that it is more than just something that is happening in the brain? What is the evidence, and how is that tested for? Describe the experiment.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Religion and spirituality are all about things our physical senses don't perceive. They are also about aspects of our own minds that are normally hidden from us (called the unconscious or subconscious in psychology).

Some people are very focused on the perceptions of their physical senses. And some identify only with their conscious minds, and are not introspective.

If you are introspective, and if you sense that most of what goes on is behind the scenes or under the radar, then you might be more likely to be religious or spiritual.

Science and education are also factors. If you have been educated into thinking science and spirituality are opposed (even though they most definitely are NOT opposed), then you might shut down and deny your intuitions about the unseen.
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I ♥ Good4Nothin
 
devildavid said:
Drugs impact the functioning of the brain and nervous system. They don't "disable" parts of the brain. Hallucinogenics can cause hallucinations. The drugs cause the effects.
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The key to finding god is to drop acid. Lol
 
Good4Nothin said:
Religion and spirituality are all about things our physical senses don't perceive. They are also about aspects of our own minds that are normally hidden from us (called the unconscious or subconscious in psychology).

Some people are very focused on the perceptions of their physical senses. And some identify only with their conscious minds, and are not introspective.

If you are introspective, and if you sense that most of what goes on is behind the scenes or under the radar, then you might be more likely to be religious or spiritual.

Science and education are also factors. If you have been educated into thinking science and spirituality are opposed (even though they most definitely are NOT opposed), then you might shut down and deny your intuitions about the unseen.
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We call that imagining things.
 
Good4Nothin said:
The word "spiritual" refers to non-physical things. So be definition you aren't spiritual if you deny the possible existence of anything "non-physical."

And that is another lie the New Atheists are always telling. Strong emotions associated wth art and humanity are not what we are talking about.
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Try to stop being so blatantly and arrogantly ignorant.

Ambition or sensitivity to poetry are not physical. You can still be either of them and not believe in your silly fairy stories.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I think it may be partly genetic, or inherited somehow. However, we are NOT ignoring logic and reasoning! If I experience things it is logical to think they could be real! And atheists like Dawkins have NO science or evidence showing spiritual experiences are delusional.
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Appart from being able to induce such experiences either by hypnotism or by electrical induction.
 
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