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Your thoughts on Agnostics

Elvira said:
He's closed His ears to your mocking...
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Im not mocking. I asked a very good question. Is there a reason a god wouldnt be able to answer it? Surely, a god would be able to answer such a simple question. No?
 
Rich2018 said:
How can that be the case ?

A Gnostic is someone with knowledge of god.

An Agnostic is someone without that knowledge. It is not someone who rejects that knowledge of god is possible.



Again there are many personal opinion on what Agnosticism means, that is what it means to me.
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It can be because you can't count on the Latin or Greek, or Anglo-Saxon, or French or Norse roots, suffixes and prefixes of words containing the evolution of meaning or ever providing exactness or precision to meaning. maybe 'Ag' was never a perfect fit in the first place to the concept it was attached to. Maybe it was just close, and convenient.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Im not mocking. I asked a very good question. Is there a reason a god wouldnt be able to answer it? Surely, a god would be able to answer such a simple question. No?
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His answers are in His letter to us...the Bible...
 
Elvira said:
His answers are in His letter to us...the Bible...
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the bible was written by men. It is only your belief the words are by god. Secondly, the bible is rife with hypocrisy thus proving they are not the words of a god. A god wouldnt make glaring mistakes.
 
AlphaOmega said:
the bible was written by men. It is only your belief the words are by god. Secondly, the bible is rife with hypocrisy thus proving they are not the words of a god. A god wouldnt make glaring mistakes.
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Then you don't understand it...seek and you shall find...
 
Elvira said:
Then you don't understand it...seek and you shall find...
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I understand it perfectly. Its a story written by man. Rife with glaring contradiction. It was not written by god. It was written by man. If Im wrong feel free to supply your proof.
Also God never answered. Maybe you should ask the question.
 
AlphaOmega said:
the bible was written by men. It is only your belief the words are by god. Secondly, the bible is rife with hypocrisy thus proving they are not the words of a god. A god wouldnt make glaring mistakes.
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It's not so much the hypocrisy, it's the glaring scientific "plot holes" and the inconsistencies.


The Old Testament is pure religious fantasy. Fantastic stories that are completely lacking any kind of historical or scientific base.

Only the most gullible would believe them.
 
AlphaOmega said:
I understand it perfectly. Its a story written by man. Rife with glaring contradiction. It was not written by god. It was written by man. If Im wrong feel free to supply your proof.
Also God never answered. Maybe you should ask the question.
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I've asked my questions and recieved my answers...the buck passes to you...there are no contradictions, either...
 
Rich2018 said:
It's not so much the hypocrisy, it's the glaring scientific "plot holes" and the inconsistencies.


The Old Testament is pure religious fantasy. Fantastic stories that are completely lacking any kind of historical or scientific base.

Only the most gullible would believe them.
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Of course. Religion was designed and used to this day to control weak minded people. If god exists he would never require nor want religion.
 
Elvira said:
I've asked my questions and recieved my answers...the buck passes to you...there are no contradictions, either...
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You recieved answers from god? Or did you just believe you did?
 
AlphaOmega said:
Of course. Religion was designed and used to this day to control weak minded people. If god exists he would never require nor want religion.
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Christianity is a form of social control

Carrot and stick

Do what god wants and you get to go to heaven (where you will enjoy eternal bliss but nothing is ever specified...at least Islam tell its followers they get 72 virgins to rape)
Don't do what god wants and you get eternal torment

Put up with your crappy lives and don't challenge the social order. It doesn't matter that your life sucks because it's over soon enough and you're in for eternal bliss. If I was a believer, I'd want a few more details of what I'm signing up for in the afterlife.
 
AlphaOmega said:
again. Im agnostic. I dont have a god nor did I claim one exists. Thats between you atheists and theists. Neither one of you has a shred of proof either way.
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There isnt any evidence for a supreme being to exist, so there's no reason to conclude in one.

This is why I respect theists more than I do agnostics, because theists have at least some conviction. Agnostics just havent thought it through- there is no middle ground.
 
PoS said:
There isnt any evidence for a supreme being to exist, so there's no reason to conclude in one.

This is why I respect theists more than I do agnostics, because theists have at least some conviction. Agnostics just havent thought it through- there is no middle ground.
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I take a different view with Agnostics.

Many people describing themselves as Agnostics don't understand what it means - they think it simply means "don't know"
As if Theism was a "yes" and Atheism was a "no".

In truth all Atheists are "don't knows".
They have just resigned themselves to the fact that god probably (almost certainly) doesn't exist.

In my view, an Agnostic hasn't reached that level of resignation and still hopes there is a god. They don't believe in god, but want to.
 
Rich2018 said:
I take a different view with Agnostics.

Many people describing themselves as Agnostics don't understand what it means - they think it simply means "don't know"
As if Theism was a "yes" and Atheism was a "no".

In truth all Atheists are "don't knows".
They have just resigned themselves to the fact that god probably (almost certainly) doesn't exist.

In my view, an Agnostic hasn't reached that level of resignation and still hopes there is a god. They don't believe in god, but want to.
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Any person knows their own view better than you do. Your view of these terms does not impact their real life application.

All atheists don't believe in gods. Gods are not something anyone can know about; gods can only be believed in. Gods are purely conceptual, so believing in gods means you believe that they are more than purely conceptual.
 
Rich2018 said:
I take a different view with Agnostics.

Many people describing themselves as Agnostics don't understand what it means - they think it simply means "don't know"
As if Theism was a "yes" and Atheism was a "no".

In truth all Atheists are "don't knows".
They have just resigned themselves to the fact that god probably (almost certainly) doesn't exist.
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imo, atheists conclude (not believe) that there are no gods because there isnt any evidence. If there were just even a shred of proof, then there would be no atheists.

In my view, an Agnostic hasn't reached that level of resignation and still hopes there is a god. They don't believe in god, but want to.
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That's a possibility, but imo, agnostics just dont want to bring their thoughts to a logical conclusion. They want to take the easy way out, which is not to think.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Theist - blindly believes in a higher being with no proof
Atheist - blindly believes there isnt a higher being with no proof
Agnostic - believes neither until there is proof.

Which am I?
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That's easy; you're an agnostic and not blind. :roll:
 
Dragonfly said:
When you hear someone claim to be agnostic what's your reaction to that, and why?
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They haven't done their homework on Jesus Christ. And if they have done some reading on Christ, it's usually left-wing liberal nonsense.
 
Rich2018 said:
Christianity is a form of social control

Carrot and stick

Do what god wants and you get to go to heaven (where you will enjoy eternal bliss but nothing is ever specified...at least Islam tell its followers they get 72 virgins to rape)
Don't do what god wants and you get eternal torment

Put up with your crappy lives and don't challenge the social order. It doesn't matter that your life sucks because it's over soon enough and you're in for eternal bliss. If I was a believer, I'd want a few more details of what I'm signing up for in the afterlife.
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All religion is a form of control. All. An all knowing being wouldnt need nor woukd it require worship. Its a glaring contradiction that theist can explain to me. He would already know what we think as the creator.
 
PoS said:
There isnt any evidence for a supreme being to exist, so there's no reason to conclude in one.

This is why I respect theists more than I do agnostics, because theists have at least some conviction. Agnostics just havent thought it through- there is no middle ground.
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Sure there is. Our best scientific minds on planet earth cannot explain where life came from nor can they create it. Despite trying for thousands of years, they have yet to create life or even explain it's origins. Thus far we have only observed it. As an agnostic I'll wait for you to create life. Can you?
 
Logicman said:
They haven't done their homework on Jesus Christ. And if they have done some reading on Christ, it's usually left-wing liberal nonsense.
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If you ever wonder why most people here find your comments so ginormously irrational, look no farther than the quote above.

The idiocy there, especially that last part, is just off-the-scale kids of stupid.
 
Rich2018 said:
In my view, an Agnostic hasn't reached that level of resignation and still hopes there is a god. They don't believe in god, but want to.
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(thanks for the "in my view" part)

Are you open to the idea that "your view" is most likely incorrect?
 
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