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    Re: To Believe or Not To Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
    Do you have a quote from Dawkins where he makes this "I lack belief" statement that you find so objectionable?
    This is an argument proposed by philosopher Anthony Flew 50 years ago and taken up by New Atheism in the last fifteen years, ubiquitous on the internet, and in this forum. Dawkins hasn't originated anything new; he's just aroused the bully and blowhard in atheist wannabes.
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    Re: To Believe or Not To Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    This is an argument proposed by philosopher Anthony Flew 50 years ago and taken up by New Atheism in the last fifteen years, ubiquitous on the internet, and in this forum. Dawkins hasn't originated anything new; he's just aroused the bully and blowhard in atheist wannabes.
    I'm aware of Flew, but I never thought that idea more than a nuance. A minor difference that didn't really seem to me to have a significant distinction.

    But I can't understand why folks who simply don't believe "the creed" are ridiculed by those who do as heretics.
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    Re: To Believe or Not To Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
    I'm aware of Flew, but I never thought that idea more than a nuance. A minor difference that didn't really seem to me to have a significant distinction.

    But I can't understand why folks who simply don't believe "the creed" are ridiculed by those who do as heretics.
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    Re: To Believe or Not To Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    How did you educate yourself? Merely by thinking? I hope you didn't refer at all to outside sources, like your education.
    Well we know he didn't learn anything from reading any University level textbooks or published literature from academic Journals because he rejects those and calls them "Holy links!"
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    Re: To Believe or Not To Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    The God of the Bible was only as moral as the epoch in which he/it was conceptualized?



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    Yes. And it also appears that the "God of the Bible" was as knowledgeable as the men of the culture/times in which he/it was conceptualized. For example, the writers of the book of Genesis believed their world was flat and was floating on water with a dome over it with windows to heaven, so that's what their "God" created.

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    Re: To Believe or Not To Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    You are aware there are different branches of science?
    Apparently not:

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    There is no such thing as "fields of science". Science does not consist of "fields".
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    Re: To Believe or Not To Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
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    But I can't understand why folks who simply don't believe "the creed" are ridiculed by those who do as heretics.
    Are you still talking about atheism here? I don't follow the pronominal distinction between "folks who" and "those who"? Are atheists critical of atheists over doctrine?
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    Re: To Believe or Not To Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    This is an argument proposed by philosopher Anthony Flew 50 years ago and taken up by New Atheism in the last fifteen years, ubiquitous on the internet, and in this forum. Dawkins hasn't originated anything new; he's just aroused the bully and blowhard in atheist wannabes.
    It isn't an argument. It's a description of what atheism actually is, and not what you want it to be.
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    Re: To Believe or Not To Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    It isn't an argument. It's a description of what atheism actually is, and not what you want it to be.
    No, it is an argument, made by the philosopher Anthony Flew in 1972, long before he recanted his atheism in time to die. It is a not very good argument that atheist wannabes embrace in their self-description. But it makes atheists of baboons, and baboons of atheists, as I pointed out.
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    Re: To Believe or Not To Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    No, it is an argument, made by the philosopher Anthony Flew in 1972, long before he recanted his atheism in time to die. It is a not very good argument that atheist wannabes embrace in their self-description. But it makes atheists of baboons, and baboons of atheists, as I pointed out.
    Why didn't he wait until after death to "recant" his atheism? It also makes theists of baboons, as your "argument" assumes that baboons are capable of belief.
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