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    [W:183]Reasons to Believe

    What reasons do you have to believe there is a God?



    I made the following reply to what has become the OP Question in this thread, made the following reply to Good4Nothing, a newcomer who brings to DP a fresh and exciting vision of reality, made the following reply to the question whether my reasons to believe are based on personal experiences:

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    In a sense, yes, personal experiences. The experience of the person I am in the world. I'm talking about my consciousness, my life, and the physical world in which my conscious life appears to be set. These phenomena comprise a stupendous given. There's no getting around them and no getting outside them, and yet they point to something beyond themselves, for there is no accounting for them from within the phenomena themselves. From within the phenomena themselves such accounting has promoted science, art and religion and the whole cultural adventure we call "civilization" -- the long struggle for purchase on the "stupendous given," or shall we say the Stupendous Given. But the only account of the Stupendous Given, the only account of conscious life in the world that does not beg the question is the account that infers to a Stupendous Giver, so to say, or at least to a Stupendous Sustainer, or to avoid personification, to a Stupendous Sustaining at work behind the phenomena.

    In simple terms, from the existence of consciousness, the existence of life, and the existence of the physical universe, the inference to the best explanation is God.

    I invite believers to share with us in this thread their reason or reasons to believe -- if they're not too personal and private, that is.

    I invite non-believers to think.

    I encourage believers and non-believers alike to adopt two cats in the New Year 2019.

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    Re: Reasons to Believe

    In a sense, yes, personal experiences.
    The experience of the person I am in the world.

    I'm talking about my consciousness, my life, and the physical world in which my conscious life appears to be set.
    These phenomena comprise a stupendous given. There's no getting around them and no getting outside them, and yet they point to something beyond themselves,
    for there is no accounting for them from within the phenomena themselves.

    From within the phenomena themselves such accounting has promoted science, art and religion and the whole cultural adventure we call "civilization" -- the long struggle for purchase on the "stupendous given," or shall we say the Stupendous Given.

    But the only account of the Stupendous Given, the only account of conscious life in the world that does not beg the question is the account that infers to a Stupendous Giver, so to say, or at least to a Stupendous Sustainer, or to avoid personification, to a Stupendous Sustaining at work behind the phenomena.

    In simple terms, from the existence of consciousness, the existence of life, and the existence of the physical universe, the inference to the best explanation is God.
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    Re: Reasons to Believe

    the best explanation is God
    Well, you think it is the best. And the best for you.

    OK.

    Good luck with that.

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    Re: Reasons to Believe

    A God? Or a few Gods? And I’m taking for granted my personal beliefs that only pertain to me and no one else.

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    Re: Reasons to Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    Well, you think it is the best. And the best for you.

    OK.

    Good luck with that.
    Life and death are not much more than unknowns to leftist atheists who must gamble on what might or might not be reality beyond what they can personally physically touch, feel or taste.

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    Re: Reasons to Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Life and death are not much more than unknowns to leftist atheists who must gamble on what might or might not be reality beyond what they can personally physically touch, feel or taste.
    What about rightist atheists? You are gambling too. Hinduism could be the true religion. Or Islam.
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    Re: Reasons to Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    ...OP...
    You pretty much nailed why I believe there is a God... It comes from personal experience... It comes from the realization of all the things which we believe on a faith basis...

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    Re: Reasons to Believe

    I had some hard lessons in my life. Each time I could have decided that the universe doesn't care about me, doesn't care about anyone, is not alive. Or I could have decided that the Universe might be alive, but if it is, it hates me.

    However, I resisted that kind of negative thinking because it leads nowhere and is destructive. As a result, each time bad things happened I learned something valuable. The harder the lesson, the more valuable the thing I learned.

    I didn't come into this world knowing the best ways to live, and I wasn't taught that. I doubt anyone is, because the best way to live is different for each of us. Our parents and teachers and other experts are of limited help.

    Who can teach us then? If you are the materialist kind of atheist who thinks the universe is dead and mindless (because it has no neurons!), then you would be on your own I guess. Or maybe your subconscious would guide you, and the subconscious mind is connected to the Universe, even if you deny it.

    In my case, there was a hand reaching back every time I reached out mine. In miraculous indescribable ways.

    But I had a sense of something divine going on behind the scenes ever since I was born. I have often run away from it and walled it off. But I always know it's there.

    When life is going along smoothly, it's easy to forget to reach out. It's easy to think we have everything under control and don't need any help. Then you trip and fall into another black hole. And then you remember there is a way out.

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    Re: Reasons to Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Life and death are not much more than unknowns to leftist atheists who must gamble on what might or might not be reality beyond what they can personally physically touch, feel or taste.
    What about to right wing atheists? What is life and death to them? Or to neutral, Swiss atheists?

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    Re: Reasons to Believe

    Quote Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
    I had some hard lessons in my life. Each time I could have decided that the universe doesn't care about me, doesn't care about anyone, is not alive. Or I could have decided that the Universe might be alive, but if it is, it hates me.

    However, I resisted that kind of negative thinking because it leads nowhere and is destructive. As a result, each time bad things happened I learned something valuable. The harder the lesson, the more valuable the thing I learned.

    I didn't come into this world knowing the best ways to live, and I wasn't taught that. I doubt anyone is, because the best way to live is different for each of us. Our parents and teachers and other experts are of limited help.

    Who can teach us then? If you are the materialist kind of atheist who thinks the universe is dead and mindless (because it has no neurons!), then you would be on your own I guess. Or maybe your subconscious would guide you, and the subconscious mind is connected to the Universe, even if you deny it.

    In my case, there was a hand reaching back every time I reached out mine. In miraculous indescribable ways.

    But I had a sense of something divine going on behind the scenes ever since I was born. I have often run away from it and walled it off. But I always know it's there.

    When life is going along smoothly, it's easy to forget to reach out. It's easy to think we have everything under control and don't need any help. Then you trip and fall into another black hole. And then you remember there is a way out.
    What is the Universe? And why do you need it to care about you? Why does the Universe sit back and watch people suffer and die?

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