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Christmas is not pagan, it just isn't

 
Another interesting, in depth history of how the holiday of Christmas developed from Roman pagan customs...

 
zyzygy said:
GrubHub (GRUB) says Chinese food is 152% more popular on Christmas Day than it is throughout the rest of the year. In fact, three of the top five days of the year to order Chinese food are Christmas, Christmas Eve and New Year's Day, followed by "smoking holiday" (4/20) and Labor Day.

By far the most popular item for Chinese food orders is General Tso's Chicken. According to GrubHub -- which features roughly 30,000 restaurants on its site across more than 800 cities in the U.S. -- it's actually the 4th most popular dish on the site, all year-round.

https://money.cnn.com/2014/12/24/smallbusiness/chinese-food-christmas/index.html
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In the USA, just about everything else is closed on those days. Including grocery stores.
 
zyzygy said:
I would shop ahead.
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I've never had a problem.

You don't want to be traveling via highway on Thanksgiving or Christmas without food, though. SOME McDonalds and Chinese is about all you'll find.
 
most holidays are appropriated from earlier traditions. we should appropriate more of them for new purposes, such as more paid holidays. Americans work too many days of the year.
 
Growing up there were two days I celebrated Christmas and it goes back to the Great Divide and Christians following different calendars.

Both were Christ focused. One was on December 25th the other was on January 7. One was celebrated with the Advent over weeks. The house was decorated with a Christmas tree, lights, wreaths, holly, and the anticipation of presents. Christmas Eve, the 24th service was always a big deal, church programs including little children's programs were too.

The one celebrated on January 7th was much different. It was more Old World. On January 6th, Christmas Eve at the Orthodox church the service is beautiful. The choir sings acapella in beautiful harmony. The choir is located in a loft at the back of the church not the front like many other churches. At the front there are icon screens . Lots of ceremony throughout the service but all of it has meaning. It is a very long service. The bulletin is almost as thick as a Reader's Digest. Lots of standing, kneeling, readings and the priest swinging censers, sending clouds of incense wafting through the air. At home on Jan. 7th there are no trees, gift exchange etc like the 25th. Instead there is straw brought in and spread under the dining room table or in a corner in remembrance of our Lord's humble beginnings. The table(s) are all dressed in white linen with candles. The menu was very old world the way Christmas was celebrated hundreds of years ago. You started off with prayer and blessings then breaking a special bread with one another. Then the chicken soup. Next came the leg of lamb and all the delicious sides. For dessert it was Pita. A strudel made with filo dough one cheese and one apple. The celebration was about the Lord and family, friends and good eats. Nothing else was need
 
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The modern war on Christmas is waged by secularists, but did you know the original war on Christmas was actually waged by Christians? Have you ever wondered how the first American settlers celebrated Christmas? It might surprise you to find out that they didn’t.
 
Elvira said:


The modern war on Christmas is waged by secularists, but did you know the original war on Christmas was actually waged by Christians? Have you ever wondered how the first American settlers celebrated Christmas? It might surprise you to find out that they didn’t.
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Well, you know this one thing about the 'war on Christmas', Jesus never saw a wreath, never saw snow, and never said "Merry Christmas' in his life.
 
Helix said:
most holidays are appropriated from earlier traditions. we should appropriate more of them for new purposes, such as more paid holidays. Americans work too many days of the year.
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Shame on you, America didnt become #1 because of holidays, but because of hard work! :2razz:
 
PoS said:
Shame on you, America didnt become #1 because of holidays, but because of hard work! :2razz:
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They're going to replace us with automation anyway.
 
To the thread OP. 100/% NONSENSE. Christmas is based on a pagan ritual celebrating the winter solstice. Most religious historical scholars agree that Junior was born in the spring...not during the winter time.
 
Logician Man said:
To the thread OP. 100/% NONSENSE. Christmas is based on a pagan ritual celebrating the winter solstice. Most religious historical scholars agree that Junior was born in the spring...not during the winter time.
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And in 3 or 4 BC!
 
Elvira said:
Another interesting, in depth history of how the holiday of Christmas developed from Roman pagan customs...

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Now that's scholarship - You Tube videos.
 
zyzygy said:
And in 3 or 4 BC!
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Or 6 AD, in the Gospel of Luke. (The census was 6 c.e. no matter what kind of 'if then maybe' speculations put forth).
 
RAMOSS said:
Or 6 AD, in the Gospel of Luke. (The census was 6 c.e. no matter what kind of 'if then maybe' speculations put forth).
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That takes some doing, being born before you were born. Do you think that the story of his birth may not be completely accurate?
 
Logician Man said:
To the thread OP. 100/% NONSENSE. Christmas is based on a pagan ritual celebrating the winter solstice. Most religious historical scholars agree that Junior was born in the spring...not during the winter time.
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Show me the money, fake volunteer man.
 
Considering Jesus was about 30 years old when he began his ministry..."When Jesus began his work, he was about 30 years old,..." Luke 3:23

And his ministry lasted about 3 1/2 years until his death...he died in the spring of the year, Nisan 14,33 CE, so do the math...Jesus was probably born in the fall of the year...it certainly was not in the month of December...Bethlehem is cold, rainy, and snowy, so shepherds would not have been staying outside with their flocks at night...

The most important thing, if Jesus had wanted his followers to observe his birth, he would have not only told us when that was but he would have also commanded us to do so, as he did with his death...Luke 22:19...
 
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it's just me said:
Show me the money, fake volunteer man.
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Happy pagan Solstice Celebration!!! :mrgreen: .... In the spirit of the holiday season I'll ignore the unnecessary insult and pass on addressing who the actual fake is, although a 'real' Christian would most likely not make light of the good others do for the downtrodden, needy, 'at risk' youth in our society.Your M.O. to gravitate to the negative is certainly no surprise to anyone here. shame on you for that, but certainly par for the course considering the hateful source from which it vomits.
 
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Logician Man said:
Happy pagan Solstice Celebration!!! :mrgreen:...In the spirit of the holiday season I'll ignore the unnecessary insult and pass on addressing who the actual fake is, although a 'real' Christian would most likely not make light of the good others do for the downtrodden, needy, ant 'at risk' youth in our society. shame on you for that, but certainly par for the course considering the hateful source.
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Put up pagan the Xmas tree!
 
Logician Man said:
In the spirit of the holiday season I'll ignore the unnecessary insult and pass on addressing who the actual fake is, although a 'real' Christian would most likely not make light of the good others do for the downtrodden, needy, 'at risk' youth in our society.Your M.O. to gravitate to the negative is certainly no surprise to anyone here. shame on you for that, but certainly par for the course considering the hateful source from which it vomits.
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A dose of your own medicine goes down hard, doesn't it, fake volunteer man? Yeah, I saw you bragging about how wonderful you are and I thought I'd take the opportunity to teach you a lesson, but have so little self awareness you don't realize I am imitating you.

Try to be better.
 
it's just me said:
A dose of your own medicine goes down hard, doesn't it, fake volunteer man? Yeah, I saw you bragging about how wonderful you are and I thought I'd take the opportunity to teach you a lesson, but have so little self awareness you don't realize I am imitating you.

Try to be better.
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Here is a lesson for you. Hate hurts the hater, not the hated. I am at peace with myself. Clearly you are not..your loss..and with that I leave you to wallow in your self-loathing and misery.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Yawn. Christmas is utterly and irredeemably pagan. And that's the way, uh-huh uh-huh, it is.

Still, it's fun to watch self-described Christians try and pretend it isn't.

Happy Holidays!
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Nope. Your Christmas is pagan. Mine is not.
 
Logician Man said:
Here is a lesson for you. Hate hurts the hater, not the hated. I am at peace with myself. Clearly you are not..your loss..and with that I leave you to wallow in your self-loathing and misery.
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No self awareness whatsoever....
 
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