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[W: 355] Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

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Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

Elvira said:
Nope, going on knowledge and personal experience...
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so god appeared to you and told you so?
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

blarg said:
so god appeared to you and told you so?
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Did i say that? No, but I do believe the Bible is inspired by God, just as it claims and that is my prerogative just as it is yours not to believe...
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

Elvira said:
Did i say that? No, but I do believe the Bible is inspired by God, just as it claims and that is my prerogative just as it is yours not to believe...
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then this claim of knowledge and personal experience seems dubious just all kinds of duby

dub out the wazoo
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

Elvira said:
Did i say that? No, but I do believe the Bible is inspired by God, just as it claims and that is my prerogative just as it is yours not to believe...
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Nice that you extend that courtesy to atheists, but not to Christians.
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

blarg said:
then this claim of knowledge and personal experience seems dubious just all kinds of duby

dub out the wazoo
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No more than yours...
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

Elvira said:
No more than yours...
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well its true i could be lying about a god never telling me whats what

but saying i don't have personal experience of the truth about god because it has not shown up seems sound
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

blarg said:
well its true i could be lying about a god never telling me whats what

but saying i don't have personal experience of the truth about god because it has not shown up seems sound
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And to say I have seems sound...your point?
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

Elvira said:
And to say I have seems sound...your point?
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well if your peensl experiance was of a supreme being letting you known what to believe about it and it said go with the bible as presented by the watchtower then it would make sense to say your reasoning behind your preference for that is based on personal experience and knowledge not sure what else could count and you have denied that what your personal experience
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

OlNate said:
Nice that you extend that courtesy to atheists, but not to Christians.
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not true the you can believe what you want but your wrong if you don't agree with me is something she clearly extends to all
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

blarg said:
not true the you can believe what you want but your wrong if you don't agree with me is something she clearly extends to all
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Fair enough...

+1 attention
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

blarg said:
not true the you can believe what you want but your wrong if you don't agree with me is something she clearly extends to all
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To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure any person of faith gets to tell someone else they are wrong regarding elements of faith. If you look at what I've been saying, it's been about being different, not wrong.
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

blarg said:
not true the you can believe what you want but your wrong if you don't agree with me is something she clearly extends to all
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Exactly...believe what you like...just don't expect me to lie to you and say it is truth when I believe no such thing...
 
Cordelier said:
So the difference in this case is that God produced the movie, God directed the movie... God wrote the script and built the set. God was in charge of lighting. And we are just the actors. We hit our marks and and we say our lines and strut our hour on the stage, and then our role is done.... and somehow we're the ones who set it up?
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“Tis all a Checkerboard of Nights and Days Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays: Hither and thither moves, and mates, and stays, And one by one back in the Closet lays.”
 
RAMOSS said:
“Tis all a Checkerboard of Nights and Days Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays: Hither and thither moves, and mates, and stays, And one by one back in the Closet lays.”
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You might have done us the courtesy of crediting the quote. Anyway, the attribution, for those interested, is given at the link below:

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It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
-- William Ernest Henley (1849-1903), from "Invictus"

Fred's Place: The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam: Quatrain XLIX
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

Omega Man said:
The later messianic authors betrayed the original texts.


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It did not.


The Hebrew word in Isaiah 7:14 is "almah," and its inherent meaning is "young woman." "Almah" can mean "virgin," as young unmarried women in ancient Hebrew culture were assumed to be virgins. Again, though, the word does not necessarily imply virginity.

"Almah" occurs seven times in the Hebrew Scriptures (Genesis 24:43; Exodus 2:8; Psalm 68:25; Proverbs 30:19; Song of Solomon 1:3; 6:8; Isaiah 7:14). None of these instances demands the meaning "virgin," but neither do they deny the possible meaning of "virgin." There is no conclusive argument for "almah" in Isaiah 7:14 being either "young woman" or "virgin."

However, it is interesting to note, that in the 3rd century B.C., when a panel of Hebrew scholars and Jewish rabbis began the process of translating the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek, they used the specific Greek word for virgin, "parthenos," not the more generic Greek word for "young woman."

The Septuagint translators, 200+ years before the birth of Christ, and with no inherent belief in a "virgin birth," translated "almah" in Isaiah 7:14 as "virgin," not "young woman." This gives evidence that "virgin" is a possible, even likely, meaning of the term.
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https://www.gotquestions.org/virgin-or-young-woman.html
 
Angel said:
You might have done us the courtesy of crediting the quote. Anyway, the attribution, for those interested, is given at the link below:

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It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
-- William Ernest Henley (1849-1903), from "Invictus"

Fred's Place: The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam: Quatrain XLIX
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Only problem with that is that he is not the master of his fate.

He will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ like everyone else, and THAT Master will decide his fate.
 
tosca1 said:
That's not the analogy I was talking about. However, in a way.....yes, it can be somewhat analogous.

Corrections:

God produced the movie and built the set, includes props and lighting, and casting (creation).....

........God wrote the plot (Scriptures), and directed the movie (His Plan - FREE WILL - Salvation and Second Judgement).........

...........then, sat back, got some popcorn, and watched what He already knew would happen.



Anyway, why do you still concern yourself about all this?
Why should it matter to you how God planned everything - whether it's like a movie-production or not?

You already made your choice, right?

You'd prefer anything - including Satan (your own words) - but, never God.



You are with Satan............ am I right, or am I wrong?
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Surely you can see for yourself the contradiction between believing in a divine plan and believing in free will. Either God is deterministic or he is not. To borrow from the exchange between Sherif Ali (Omar Sharif) and Lawrence (Peter O'Toole) in Lawrence of Arabia (since we're on the topic of movies, might as well pick a good one), either everything is written or nothing is written... there is no in-between.

I didn't say whether I believed in God or not... all I said was that I didn't believe in your version of God. To me, any God worth worship has to transcend religion. I'm not condemning religion, per se... I view any religion as simply a means for people to understand in their own way, and in the context of their own culture, some of the nature of God. But take any religion for it is - any of us can only perceive a piece of God's nature. It's like the parable of the blind men and the Elephant - what religion teaches us to perceive is very probably something very different from the true nature of God. If we all understood that and accepted that, then perhaps we'd all not be in such a hurry to judge others.
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

tosca1 said:
LOL. Then, why bring up the dog as a rebuttal? And now you tell me you don't know? :lol:

So....you admit you give up rebuttals that you're ignorant about. You're kinda just "winging" it? :mrgreen:





Hahaha....if you don't even know what goes on in a dog's head......now you claim you know the mind of God! :lamo





That's already been explained.







Pointless!
You don't want to be in paradise (however that may be like)!
You said so yourself. You prefer Satan to God.

Therefore.....I'll ignore you now.....until you have something worth responding to.
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So what makes you so sure what goes through a dog's head?

*LOL* You're dismissing me because you think I'm Satanic? I would have figured a literal reading of Christian scripture (The parable of the prodigal son comes to mind) would encourage you to redouble your efforts to make me see the error of my ways. I see where you're coming from, though... Jesus always taught the faithful never to associate with prostitutes or pagans or especially tax collectors. After all, only the pure of faith and those without sin were allowed to be in His presence.
 
RAMOSS said:
“Tis all a Checkerboard of Nights and Days Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays: Hither and thither moves, and mates, and stays, And one by one back in the Closet lays.”
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"Yesterday This Day's Madness did prepare; To-morrow's Silence, Triumph or Despair; Drink! for you know not whence where you came, nor why: Drink! for you know not why you go nor where."
 
Angel said:
You might have done us the courtesy of crediting the quote. Anyway, the attribution, for those interested, is given at the link below:

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It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
-- William Ernest Henley (1849-1903), from "Invictus"

Fred's Place: The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam: Quatrain XLIX
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"Would but some winged Angel ere too late, Arrest the yet unfolded Roll of Fate, And make the stern recorder otherwise, Enregister, or quite obliterate!"

P.S. - Quatrain XCVIII
 
Logicman said:
Only problem with that is that he is not the master of his fate.

He will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ like everyone else, and THAT Master will decide his fate.
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Have you pondered the true nature of faith, though? If mankind's original sin is his intelligence - the ability to think, and to understand - all that makes you an individual - what makes you "you"...would you be willing to give that up to enter paradise?
 
Re: Does the Bible teach eternal torment in hell for the unbelievers?

OlNate said:
That's not what I said, but ok. Is you putting words into my mouth your attempt to finish this debate quickly to claim some kind of victory? lol

And you still haven't answered my question. How about another one. JW's claim to be the only "true" brand of Christianity, while actual Christianity entertains numerous denominations and methods of living out one's faith, so long as it adheres to the basic definition of Christianity. Why do you support one offshoot sect telling the much greater Christian community they are invalid, while you condemn those of us maintaining our definition? How did you come down on the side of JW's? What was your decision process?
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Ive already answered this, but I'll humor you and answer it again. Anyone who says theyre Christian I will take them at their word for it. JWs say theyre Christian, so okay. As far as "supporting" them, I'm merely pointing out to you and others that they are considered Christians too. Since all your fantasies cannot be proven, you are all on equal ground as to being right or not. In the end I dont take anybody's side, but I consider nontrinitarian beliefs to be more logical since the concept of the trinity is just ridiculously silly: 3 gods do not equal 1.

Elvira said:
Sorry, but he's feeding you a line of bull...innocent people were killed because they would not adopt the stupid creed...how's that for "Christian" love?:roll:
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Of course. You cant argue when someone goes fundamentalist- theyre beyond reason.

it's just me said:
We don't care about your book.
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Was I talking to you?
 
Cordelier said:
Have you pondered the true nature of faith, though? If mankind's original sin is his intelligence - the ability to think, and to understand - all that makes you an individual - what makes you "you"...would you be willing to give that up to enter paradise?
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The original sin was disobedience to our Creator, who made us to be governed by Him...just as humans were not created to fly successfully on their own strength, so they were not created to rule successfully by themselves......outside of his direction, mankind is doomed...we can see the results today of man trying to govern himself...we have failed miserably...if allowed to continue, it will be to the point of self destruction...the Bible states that humans have neither the ability nor the right to govern themselves...

“It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.” Jeremiah 10:23
 
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