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Is Christ a Socialist?

RobertU said:
More than 2,000 years old but heaven years might not be the same as earth years.
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:eek: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...Whatcha got ?
 
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Christ was unlikely to be a socialist as it didn't exist 2000 years ago. Though he probably digs on helping out the little man, he's not likely to delve too deeply into the struggle of the proletariat and collective farms. Suffice to say he's what many would call a 'social justice warrior'. He would absolutely oppose msot of what the far right stands for.

Now my pet Unicorn, that bastard is as Leninist as they get...
 
uptower said:
Christ was unlikely to be a socialist as it didn't exist 2000 years ago. Though he probably digs on helping out the little man, he's not likely to delve too deeply into the struggle of the proletariat and collective farms. Suffice to say he's what many would call a 'social justice warrior'. He would absolutely oppose msot of what the far right stands for.
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Assuming Christ is all knowing he would be a Republican capitalist since capitalism makes it possible for the earth to keep alive 8 billion human souls. When we had other forms of government/economic control the earth could support very few. China is the perfect microcosm in which to see this. When it switched to capitalism it instantly eliminated 40% of all the poverty on the planet and saved another 60 million from starving to death.
 
He was a self-employed carpenter. A capitalist.
 
An occupation is not a political stance...:roll:
 
zyzygy said:
He was a self-employed carpenter. A capitalist.
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Where does it say in the bible that Jesus was a carpenter ?

It actually says Jesus was a nobleman a... a direct descendant of Solomon and King David.
 
James972 said:
Assuming Christ is all knowing he would be a Republican capitalist since capitalism makes it possible for the earth to keep alive 8 billion human souls. When we had other forms of government/economic control the earth could support very few. China is the perfect microcosm in which to see this. When it switched to capitalism it instantly eliminated 40% of all the poverty on the planet and saved another 60 million from starving to death.
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Since Jesus was the direct descendant of King David and the rightful heir to the crown of Israel, I'd say Jesus would want to be a Constitutional Monarch. Like Queen Victoria.
 
Rich2018 said:
Where does it say in the bible that Jesus was a carpenter ?

It actually says Jesus was a nobleman a... a direct descendant of Solomon and King David.
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"This is the carpenter, the son of Mary and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon, is it not?" Mark 6:3
 
Rich2018 said:
Since Jesus was the direct descendant of King David and the rightful heir to the crown of Israel, I'd say Jesus would want to be a Constitutional Monarch. Like Queen Victoria.
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He could've been King but that was not his desire or purpose...

"When the people saw the sign he performed, they began to say: “This really is the Prophet who was to come into the world.” Then Jesus, knowing that they were about to come and seize him to make him king, withdrew again to the mountain all alone. John 6:14,15

"But he said to them: “I must also declare the good news of the Kingdom of God to other cities, because for this I was sent.” Luke 4:43
 
Elvira said:
"This is the carpenter, the son of Mary and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon, is it not?" Mark 6:3
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"Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” (Mark 6:3)

So Jesus had a lot of brothers and sisters


"As it turns out, the word in Greek (tekton/τεκτων), that Mark uses here, translated commonly in English as “carpenter,” is better translated more generically as “builder,” and might just as easily refer to a stone mason. If one looks at the various stories Jesus tells as parables and analogies, related to his message of the Kingdom of God, the image of a stone mason or builder is dominant–even down to the details of how to plan, finance, and properly lay a solid foundation for a substantial building or tower (Luke 6:46-49; 14:29-30).

Whether he was a skilled day laborer, a contract worker, or perhaps, even a managing contractor, we have no way of knowing. One thing we do know is that the magnificent city of Sepphoris (Tspori in Hebrew), that Josephus calls the “jewel of all the Galilee,” was being rebuilt by Herod Antipas as his capital during the years Jesus was growing into manhood (10-20 CE). Nazareth, a village suburb, less than four miles to the southeast, would have been caught up in the economic building boom spurred by this major project. It is quite easy to imagine Jesus, his adopted father Joseph, and his brothers as they came along in age, working in the building trades in Sepphoris. This is quite a different picture than the quaint romanticized image of little Jesus working in his father Joseph’s wood shop, so often pictured in family Bibles...."


https://jamestabor.com/was-jesus-a-carpenter/


Then the Bible tells us that Jesus is a direct descendant of king Solomon the wise and king David.


He was of noble birth and was literally "King of the Jews".
 
RAMOSS said:
Tell that to Mich McConnel
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I owned my own business...I was/am/always will be politically neutral... your theory proves nothing...
 
zyzygy said:
He was a self-employed carpenter. A capitalist.
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Right. What do you think laborers are under a socialist government who get something in return for their labor?


The only difference is that you got one "capitalist" (the socialist government), who calls all the shots (with a few lucky top people), and who lord it over all the people!

Why do you think socialism crumbles after the "honeymoon is over," and people realized what they ended up with? The latest casualty I think is......Venezuela! lol. It's a survival scenario in Venezuela!

To be the mule of a selected few might float your boat - but I'd rather have a say where I want to work, how much, or what I get.........and have many employers to choose from.
 
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Elvira said:
I owned my own business...I was/am/always will be politically neutral... your theory proves nothing...
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It's not a theory, it's an observation.
 
Rich2018 said:
Where does it say in the bible that Jesus was a carpenter ?
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Mark 6:3

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.



Must've learned the trade from Joseph.



There is some evidence that the Greek word used for “carpenter” (tekton) could also be translated more broadly as “artisan,” “contractor,” or “handyman.” It is possible, therefore, that Jesus and Joseph were the sort of men you call when something needs to be fixed—be it made of wood, stone, or something else. It is also possible that they acted as civil engineers, even designing bridges or other structures that were needed by the people of the town.
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https://www.gotquestions.org/was-Jesus-a-carpenter.html
 
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Rich2018 said:
Since Jesus was the direct descendant of King David and the rightful heir to the crown of Israel, I'd say Jesus would want to be a Constitutional Monarch. Like Queen Victoria.
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Your speculation as to what Jesus "would've wanted to be," is irrelevant.

He was born to, and raised by commoners.
 
tosca1 said:
It's been quite a while since we had this old argument up, until recently at another thread. Just so we can have a real discussion about this without having to hijack that other thread, this topic was created.
It started with my dear friend Nate making an outrageous claim! Let me repost how it started.




Show me where it says Christ is a socialist???? I dare you! Wanna start a threa on that? Let's, okay?

Don't give me the usual argument about everyone giving all their resources pooled together - which is taken out of context - since Christ have not forbade people from being wealthy!

I, on the other hand, can show you He ain't!




2 Thessalonians 3

Warning Against Idleness

6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us.

7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you.
9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate.
10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat.



Free-loading isn't approved! No such thing as a "right" to minimum wage hike, either!
Or, the right to be able to buy whatever the Jones' can buy!
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Well it's hard to say if Christ would have been socialist. These political ideologies seem to over take Christ's ideology. I think he'd be a theocrat.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well it's hard to say if Christ would have been socialist. These political ideologies seem to over take Christ's ideology. I think he'd be a theocrat.
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He can't be a socialist - socialism negates the virtue of voluntary giving!
And, Jesus is big on that.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/christian-giving-11636283.html


I'd say so, too that it'd be a theocracy. Just look at His teachings (almost all God-centered), and His plan for the future (Second Coming).
 
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