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Dragonfly

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46040515

A Pakistani court has overturned the death sentence of a Christian woman convicted of blasphemy, a case that has polarised the nation.Asia Bibi was convicted in 2010 after being accused of insulting the Prophet Muhammad in a row with her neighbours.
She always maintained her innocence, but has spent most of the past eight years in solitary confinement.
The landmark ruling has already set off violent protests by hardliners who support strong blasphemy laws.
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As folks in the USofA seem to be going farther and farther off the rails of sanity, I have to wonder how many would be open to incorporating blasphemy laws and prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see there's a growing fringe that thinks such an idea is worthy of consideration.

(and no, this isn't about muslims in the USofA having such thoughts)

Anybody here care to "step up" and explain how prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA wouldn't be such a bad idea to consider?

Or, is this one topic we can get 100% agreement on as being abhorrently insane?
 
Dragonfly said:
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As folks in the USofA seem to be going farther and farther off the rails of sanity, I have to wonder how many would be open to incorporating blasphemy laws and prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see there's a growing fringe that thinks such an idea is worthy of consideration.

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[/I]Anybody here care to "step up" and explain how prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA wouldn't be such a bad idea to consider?

Or, is this one topic we can get 100% agreement on as being abhorrently insane?
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Well, like you, I live in the USA, and on the East Coast as well, so your OP sets me to wondering under which rock on the East Coast you've resided because we've seen in this country of ours over the last thirty years, the rise of political blasphemy as an offense punishable by sentences in the social media stocks and worse.
 
Dragonfly said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46040515




As folks in the USofA seem to be going farther and farther off the rails of sanity, I have to wonder how many would be open to incorporating blasphemy laws and prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see there's a growing fringe that thinks such an idea is worthy of consideration.

(and no, this isn't about muslims in the USofA having such thoughts)

Anybody here care to "step up" and explain how prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA wouldn't be such a bad idea to consider?

Or, is this one topic we can get 100% agreement on as being abhorrently insane?
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Agreed. It is insane. I support free speech.

But we've already been slowly embracing this sort of viewpoint over the last 20+ years now...
 
Dragonfly said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46040515

As folks in the USofA seem to be going farther and farther off the rails of sanity, I have to wonder how many would be open to incorporating blasphemy laws and prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see there's a growing fringe that thinks such an idea is worthy of consideration.
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But have you seen a growing fringe? I have not, but perhaps you can't point me and others to it? Are there any lawmakers who are proposing blasphemy laws?
 
Dragonfly said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46040515




As folks in the USofA seem to be going farther and farther off the rails of sanity, I have to wonder how many would be open to incorporating blasphemy laws and prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see there's a growing fringe that thinks such an idea is worthy of consideration.

(and no, this isn't about muslims in the USofA having such thoughts)

Anybody here care to "step up" and explain how prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA wouldn't be such a bad idea to consider?

Or, is this one topic we can get 100% agreement on as being abhorrently insane?
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We have in Canada what would be like blasphemy law - they call it Islamophobia.


Right-Wing Activists Blast Canadian Anti-Islamophobia Motion As 'Blasphemy Law'

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/canada-islamaphobia-motion_us_589e154be4b0ab2d2b150931
 
Dragonfly said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46040515




As folks in the USofA seem to be going farther and farther off the rails of sanity, I have to wonder how many would be open to incorporating blasphemy laws and prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see there's a growing fringe that thinks such an idea is worthy of consideration.

(and no, this isn't about muslims in the USofA having such thoughts)

Anybody here care to "step up" and explain how prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA wouldn't be such a bad idea to consider?

Or, is this one topic we can get 100% agreement on as being abhorrently insane?
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I'll go with the OR.
 
I’m sure there is a fringe element of religious fundamentalists out there who would support blasphemy laws in the US. But I haven’t encountered them and seriously doubt they are growing in number.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I’m sure there is a fringe element of religious fundamentalists out there who would support blasphemy laws in the US. But I haven’t encountered them and seriously doubt they are growing in number.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/27/ireland-votes-to-oust-blasphemy-ban-from-constitution


[FONT=&quot]The referendum saw 64.85% vote yes to remove the prohibition on blasphemy, with 35.15% in favour of retaining it.[/FONT]
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35% voted to keep Blasphemy law in Ireland.

35% ?????

That's a substantially frightening number.
 
soylentgreen said:
So you are saying that blasphemy is defined as saying racist hurtful lies that incite hatred for any sub culture you have a prejudice against.

Because that is what your link suggests.
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The article was referring only to Islam. Thus, Islamophobia.
 
Dragonfly said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46040515




As folks in the USofA seem to be going farther and farther off the rails of sanity, I have to wonder how many would be open to incorporating blasphemy laws and prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see there's a growing fringe that thinks such an idea is worthy of consideration.

(and no, this isn't about muslims in the USofA having such thoughts)

Anybody here care to "step up" and explain how prison sentences for blasphemy in the USofA wouldn't be such a bad idea to consider?

Or, is this one topic we can get 100% agreement on as being abhorrently insane?
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Will never happen here as long as we remain free to express our views.
 
soylentgreen said:
So you are saying that blasphemy is defined as saying racist hurtful lies that incite hatred for any sub culture you have a prejudice against.

Because that is what your link suggests.
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If blasphemy is "speaking evil of X," and that is just what blasphemy is, then there clearly appear to be unwritten laws, and even some written riders to written laws, against secular blasphemy throughout liberal democratic culture today. Define a protected class, and the sin of blasphemy attends the definition.

So the question is, why is secular blasphemy accepted as a matter of course, but religious blasphemy ridiculed and reviled (=blasphemed!!)?
The post quoted above is all over the post it replies to for blaspheming against secular blasphemy, whereas blasphemy against religious blasphemy, as in the OP, goes unremarked. Why is that, I wonder?
 
Angel said:
If blasphemy is "speaking evil of X," and that is just what blasphemy is, then there clearly appear to be unwritten laws, and even some written riders to written laws, against secular blasphemy throughout liberal democratic culture today. Define a protected class, and the sin of blasphemy attends the definition.

So the question is, why is secular blasphemy accepted as a matter of course, but religious blasphemy ridiculed and reviled (=blasphemed!!)?
The post quoted above is all over the post it replies to for blaspheming against secular blasphemy, whereas blasphemy against religious blasphemy, as in the OP, goes unremarked. Why is that, I wonder?
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I will explain slowly;

To say that God, the idea of God, is just plain silly, is blasphemy. But Legal and OK.

To say that christians should be shot for their beliefs is incitement to kill and thus illegal. Or at least it is in the UK.
 
Tim the plumber said:
I will explain slowly;

To say that God, the idea of God, is just plain silly, is blasphemy. But Legal and OK.

To say that christians should be shot for their beliefs is incitement to kill and thus illegal. Or at least it is in the UK.
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I'm glad you said it slowly. This will enable you to see that incitement to kill is not blasphemy, and that you are off point. DP is thus spared the expenditure of bandwidth iy would normally require to straighten you out.
 
Originally Posted by Angel View Post
If blasphemy is "speaking evil of X," and that is just what blasphemy is, then there clearly appear to be unwritten laws, and even some written riders to written laws, against secular blasphemy throughout liberal democratic culture today. Define a protected class, and the sin of blasphemy attends the definition.

So the question is, why is secular blasphemy accepted as a matter of course, but religious blasphemy ridiculed and reviled (=blasphemed!!)?
The post quoted above is all over the post it replies to for blaspheming against secular blasphemy, whereas blasphemy against religious blasphemy, as in the OP, goes unremarked. Why is that, I wonder?
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Angel said:
I'm glad you said it slowly. This will enable you to see that incitement to kill is not blasphemy, and that you are off point. DP is thus spared the expenditure of bandwidth iy would normally require to straighten you out.
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Yep. You got my point. It was in answer to your post which said the opposite.
 
Tim the plumber said:
Yep. You got my point. It was in answer to your post which said the opposite.
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Nope, Your post was off point and based on a misreading of my post, as my post had nothing to do with incitement to kill.
 
Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
We have in Canada what would be like blasphemy law - they call it Islamophobia.


Right-Wing Activists Blast Canadian Anti-Islamophobia Motion As 'Blasphemy Law'

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b0ab2d2b150931
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So you are saying that blasphemy is defined as saying racist hurtful lies that incite hatred for any sub culture you have a prejudice against.

Because that is what your link suggests.
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Angel said:
Nope, Your post was off point and based on a misreading of my post, as my post had nothing to do with incitement to kill.
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That would be odd given as the whole point is that a law against inciting hate against people ora group of people is not the same as a law where hatred or disdain for a religon.
 
International Blasphemy Day, founded in 2009 by the Center for Inquiry, or the center for "angry atheism," as its original founder-philosopher characterized the organization when he divorced himself from it following its association with Richard Dawkins, the mother of all angry atheists, promotes religious blasphemy worldwide.
 
Tim the plumber said:
That would be odd given as the whole point is that a law against inciting hate against people ora group of people is not the same as a law where hatred or disdain for a religon.
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Look, Tim the plumber, you are confused here. I don't agree with the implication of the soylentgreen post, the implication that "hate speech" toward people is different from hate speech toward God. That was the point of my post in reply to the soylentgreen post. Your citing the soylentgreen post to contradict me thus shows confusion on your part.

This was my reply to soylentgreen post, just to refresh your memory, Tim the plumber:
Angel said:
If blasphemy is "speaking evil of X," and that is just what blasphemy is, then there clearly appear to be unwritten laws, and even some written riders to written laws, against secular blasphemy throughout liberal democratic culture today. Define a protected class, and the sin of blasphemy attends the definition.

So the question is, why is secular blasphemy accepted as a matter of course, but religious blasphemy ridiculed and reviled (=blasphemed!!)?
The post quoted above is all over the post it replies to for blaspheming against secular blasphemy, whereas blasphemy against religious blasphemy, as in the OP, goes unremarked. Why is that, I wonder?
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Angel said:
Look, Tim the plumber, you are confused here. I don't agree with the implication of the soylentgreen post, the implication that "hate speech" toward people is different from hate speech toward God. That was the point of my post in reply to the soylentgreen post. Your citing the soylentgreen post to contradict me thus shows confusion on your part.

This was my reply to soylentgreen post, just to refresh your memory, Tim the plumber:
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I am not confused. That is exactly how I saw it.

It is also how I explained it.

You do not see the difference between incitement to hate somebody and statemnets of hate about a god or religion.
 
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