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What do we replace religion with?[W:675]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

If he provided a handy chart with all sorts of colors and arrows outlining his disagreement, perhaps that would suffice?


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Omega Man said:
Heck, why stop there? Might as well add periods and cultural caveats to your self-imposed list of qualifiers. Cool internet link!


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I am open to suggestions from him.
 
Tim the plumber said:
I was watching this video by Jordan Peterson;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyYdGiJpyXk

The gist is that the civilization we have is founded upon Christian principals. And that by abandoning this religion we will create a civilization that simply does not function.

I can see his point. The present philosophy of business is the MBA. In that lying is something you do in your actions all the time. You expect others to do it. You live the life of the slippery slope.

This is, I think the exact opposite of how I, an atheist, wish to live.

The truth and disiple of not cheating or swindling others is what I want my life to be about.

I think we need a new philosophy of progress and responsibilty. Maybe JP is one of the herads of this process of creating such a thing.

Does anybody else have an input into the new philosophy of society?
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I believe Christian principles carry weight as they were inspired by a force greater than man. If we decide to abandon them, then we wander into the dangerous area of moral relativism. I mean if there is a group that believe men are superior and may rape, kidnap, or do whatever they please with women, who are we to say they are wrong? I mean, how do you stop it? We see the slow movement toward moral relativism with the sexual identity movement. There are those that believe we should stop saying "he" and "she". Check out JP on gender pronouns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_UbmaZQx74
 
mrdeltoid said:
I believe Christian principles carry weight as they were inspired by a force greater than man. If we decide to abandon them, then we wander into the dangerous area of moral relativism. I mean if there is a group that believe men are superior and may rape, kidnap, or do whatever they please with women, who are we to say they are wrong? I mean, how do you stop it? We see the slow movement toward moral relativism with the sexual identity movement. There are those that believe we should stop saying "he" and "she". Check out JP on gender pronouns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_UbmaZQx74
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What do questions about gender have to do with whether we want to allow people to kill each other?
 
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Omega Man said:
If he provided a handy chart with all sorts of colors and arrows outlining his disagreement, perhaps that would suffice?


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Hopefully that chart would make more sense than the "I'm an agnostic gnostic atheist theist" chart did... ;)
 
mrdeltoid said:
I believe Christian principles carry weight as they were inspired by a force greater than man. If we decide to abandon them, then we wander into the dangerous area of moral relativism. I mean if there is a group that believe men are superior and may rape, kidnap, or do whatever they please with women, who are we to say they are wrong? I mean, how do you stop it? We see the slow movement toward moral relativism with the sexual identity movement. There are those that believe we should stop saying "he" and "she". Check out JP on gender pronouns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_UbmaZQx74
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What are your beliefs about Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Shintoist and Taoist principles?
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Omega Man said:
Heck, why stop there? Might as well add periods and cultural caveats to your self-imposed list of qualifiers. Cool internet link!


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It's known as 'Supporting ones point'.. which is directly opposite of 'unsupported claims', and 'because I said so'.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

People never abandon religion. They just redefine God. To atheists it is replacing "God" with "government," with some ideological master or going sociopathic and defining god as him/herself. Humans are extreme herding animals and therefore must have herding animal structures of authority and core herding animal instinctive rules accepted as truisms.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Religion, as I said a thousand posts ago, is irreplaceable and irrepressible. Religion is the most important cultural institution in the world. Art and politics run a distant second and third. Science doesn't even finish in the money.
 
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joko104 said:
People never abandon religion. They just redefine God. To atheists it is replacing "God" with "government," with some ideological master or going sociopathic and defining god as him/herself. Humans are extreme herding animals and therefore must have herding animal structures of authority and core herding animal instinctive rules accepted as truisms.
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There is a very valid reason for that...because man was never created to function separately from his Creator...the Bible states that humans have neither the ability nor the right to govern themselves...history has upheld that fact...

"...It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." Jeremiah 10:23
 
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Suburban Jedi said:
I tend toward Process/Relational theology,and as such, I can't really say I truly believe things like the Immaculate Conception, the Real Presence of the Eucharist, or even the traditional understanding of the Incarnation etc
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With the omission of the Resurrection, you've cast away all the biggies of Catholic doctrine, so I'll take this--as with, similarly, the term "secular Jew"--as your self-defining as a cultural Catholic.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

I read through the OP a couple of times. And my answer is this....


Anyone can practice any given religion. You can follow all traditions in any given religion like a programed robot. But there's a big difference between practicing a religion and a spiritual walk seeking G-d and desiring a pure heart. Those who take the path to spiritually walk......well there's nothing one can offer to replace such a wonderful thing.
 
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Omega Man said:
How so? Maybe you were watching an old rerun of "Kung Fu", and wondered how it is that Shaolin profess to be able to "walk thru walls"? Is that where you're getting your Taoism = mysticism idea?


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nah but almost as bad wikipedia

pretty sure that show mes up buddhism mostly
 
mrdeltoid said:
I believe Christian principles carry weight as they were inspired by a force greater than man. If we decide to abandon them, then we wander into the dangerous area of moral relativism. I mean if there is a group that believe men are superior and may rape, kidnap, or do whatever they please with women, who are we to say they are wrong? I mean, how do you stop it? We see the slow movement toward moral relativism with the sexual identity movement. There are those that believe we should stop saying "he" and "she". Check out JP on gender pronouns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_UbmaZQx74
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Plenty of rape, murder, genocide and enslavement in the name of God in the Bible.

It is this age of reduced respect for the sky spirt that has a nicey nicey policy to humanity.
 
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nota bene said:
With the omission of the Resurrection, you've cast away all the biggies of Catholic doctrine, so I'll take this--as with, similarly, the term "secular Jew"--as your self-defining as a cultural Catholic.
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I would agree with that. Just like the Bible, there's a lot about Catholicism that's more of human origin than divine. I see no reason to be dogmatic about it.
 
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blarg said:
nah but almost as bad wikipedia

pretty sure that show mes up buddhism mostly
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Loved that old show; have the entire series on DVD. Though it did indeed have the appearance of promoting Buddhism, the show itself actually quoted the Tao in every single episode.


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joko104 said:
People never abandon religion. They just redefine God. To atheists it is replacing "God" with "government," with some ideological master or going sociopathic and defining god as him/herself. Humans are extreme herding animals and therefore must have herding animal structures of authority and core herding animal instinctive rules accepted as truisms.
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It's not as much a matter of herding as it is always needing some law and order. You always need that any time you have more than two people in a room. You have to have it in workplaces, schools, playgrounds, swimming pools, condo associations, neighborhoods, cities, etc... The difference between God and government, however, particularly democratic systems of government, is that in one, the priests and prophets tell everyone what to do. For the majority, eyes and ears are closed and brains are shut down. Their job becomes blind and unquestioning obedience. They become "sheep". No wonder the sheep are so idolized in some religions. In no other context is being a ship something to strive for.

That was the purpose behind the separation of church and state in this country. Now if you want to consider a democratic government the new "God", then call it what you will. But here, you are part of it.

"During almost fifteen centuries, has the legal establishment of Christianity been
on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence
in the Clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and
persecution....In some instances they have been seen to
erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of Civil authority; in many instances they
have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have
they been seen the guardans of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to
subvert the public liberties, may have found an established clergy convenient
auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure & perpetuate it, needs them
not."
-James Madison
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zyzygy said:
What are your beliefs about Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Shintoist and Taoist principles?
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I don't know what their principles are. Christian principles can be found in the NT. The sermon on the mount is a good example of Christian principles. Now, personally, I believe that anything other than Christian doctrine is false. JMHO
 
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