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What do we replace religion with?[W:675]

Re: What do we replace religion with?

akyron said:
Nah. Its carrying your logic to its conclusion. That is all.

I think there was an actual movie about this subject a few years back. It had that guy that played the young obi wan kenobi. The clones held as organ donors escaped because they wanted to live.
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So there was a film. So?

It is not at all a logical conclusion. It is just invented problemizing. It is evil for the sake of haing power.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Tim the plumber said:
So there was a film. So?

It is not at all a logical conclusion. It is just invented problemizing. It is evil for the sake of haing power.
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So the possibility has been explored at least in theory.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

blarg said:
no but you have been a lot more pleasant to deal with i can pick apart your non sense and you dont bother to make any kind of defense
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You fell from grace, were offered a chance at redemption, refused, and now conveniently don't recall the contretemps. I do.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Tim the plumber said:
Er... that humanities over here in the UK would be stuff like sociology and history rather than litriture or dance???? How does that make me unable to understand how art is part of human behaviuor?
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Your bad faith is showing once again, Tim the plumber. I posted this last time you tried to defend this same mistake you make here. And yet you persist. This sort of behavior reflects poorly on those you represent willy-nilly -- atheists, materialists, scientismists. It goes to credibility.

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Re: What do we replace religion with?

akyron said:
So the possibility has been explored at least in theory.
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The idea of superman flying around by force of will has been explored in theory so what?

Your avoidance of any straight thinking is utterly none-honest.

Wouldn't you prefer to be honest with the world and yourself?
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Angel said:
Your bad faith is showing once again, Tim the plumber. I posted this last time you tried to defend this same mistake you make here. And yet you persist. This sort of behavior reflects poorly on those you represent willy-nilly -- atheists, materialists, scientismists. It goes to credibility.
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What that I had a different idea of how the subjects have been classified?

OK, I got that slightly wrong. So?

You have no idea of almost anything at all.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Elvira said:
Cancer exists because of man's imperfection...God created man to function in a certain way, due to being perfect...when man went outside of that box, he brought infliction and death upon himself...God had nothing to do with it...
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That isnt even logical; if a god was perfect, said god could only create perfection. Humans would then be perfect in every way, including decision making. It would be impossible for perfect humans to go outside of a box of perfection. Even if you gave those same perfect humans freedom of choice their, choices would always be perfect. Yet as the story goes humans were not perfect and screwed up their so called eden. That would mean that said god created an imperfect thing in humans, and this is not itself perfect. SO then cancer exists due to a mistake made by said god.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

zyzygy said:
Elvira doesn't do discussion.
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Apparently so. Sad. Thanks for the confirmation.

That said, Elvira's comment can't be confirmed due to a lack of evidence.

Elvira said:
Cancer exists because of man's imperfection...God created man to function in a certain way, due to being perfect...when man went outside of that box, he brought infliction and death upon himself...God had nothing to do with it...
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Re: What do we replace religion with?

Tim the plumber said:

The idea of superman flying around by force of will has been explored in theory so what?

Your avoidance of any straight thinking is utterly none-honest.

Wouldn't you prefer to be honest with the world and yourself?
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You have your honest answers. We already know these processes have gone beyond theory and are already in play and have been for some time. Attempting to convince someone of something but unwilling to commit. Who is not being honest again?

For the first time, cloning technologies have been used to generate stem cells that are genetically matched to adult patients.

Human Embryonic Stem Cells Derived by Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer

"Shinya Yamanaka won the 2012 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine for discovering how to make "induced pluripotent stem cells," or IPS cells.
IPS cells are made by inserting genes to "turn back the clock" on mature cells that already have specific functions. It doesn't matter what the cell was before; it can now be reprogrammed as any kind of cell researchers want."

What is haing power by the way? It translates to sacrifice in the Philippines.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Rising Sun said:
Why grow an entire human being when all that is needed is to grow a heart, liver or lung?
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Who can say what will be needed in the future?
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

akyron said:
You have your honest answers. We already know these processes have gone beyond theory and are already in play and have been for some time. Attempting to convince someone of something but unwilling to commit. Who is not being honest again?

For the first time, cloning technologies have been used to generate stem cells that are genetically matched to adult patients.

Human Embryonic Stem Cells Derived by Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer

"Shinya Yamanaka won the 2012 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine for discovering how to make "induced pluripotent stem cells," or IPS cells.
IPS cells are made by inserting genes to "turn back the clock" on mature cells that already have specific functions. It doesn't matter what the cell was before; it can now be reprogrammed as any kind of cell researchers want."

What is haing power by the way? It translates to sacrifice in the Philippines.
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Yes cloning has been used to create stem cells for use in research and treatment.

That is not creating a human.

That you have been head scrambled into thinking this is bewildering.

And no idea what the haing thing is.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

akyron said:
Who can say what will be needed in the future?
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I fail to see your point. There could also be the tech to put a person in suspended animation while new parts are grown, even an entire body minus the brain. No need to grow organ slaves.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

akyron said:
Actually it was leftist hollywood that told us that.
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Hollywood? Who the hell pays any attention to those idiots? Yea that leftist hollywood is bad, with people like Clint Eastwood, man its far left.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Rising Sun said:
I fail to see your point. There could also be the tech to put a person in suspended animation while new parts are grown, even an entire body minus the brain. No need to grow organ slaves.
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Agreed. People with a little bit of power will enjoy pushing the boundaries like in most other cases.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Logicman said:
Nuts. You've been reading the wrong material. Try books with EVIDENCE - "The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas; "New Evidence that Demands a Verdict," by former skeptic Josh McDowell; "Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," by Dr. Norman Geisler; "The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and "The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by Dr, Gary Habermas.
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And, as was pointed out earlier, those are basically copies of each other, mainly dealing with the same claims , without any adversarial information that refutes those claims. Sad.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

RAMOSS said:
And, as was pointed out earlier, those are basically copies of each other, mainly dealing with the same claims , without any adversarial information that refutes those claims. Sad.
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You haven't even read those, Ramoss. And having read them myself, I can attest there is unique information in all of them.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

RAMOSS said:
And, as was pointed out earlier, those are basically copies of each other, mainly dealing with the same claims , without any adversarial information that refutes those claims. Sad.
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Most of Habermas's conclusions and arguments are based on the assumption of the absolute reliability of the stories of the gospels and nothing more. However, the gospels are not history textbooks. The Bible has been revealed many times to be not entirely trustworthy and includes deliberate myths and unhistorical fiction, as well as forgeries and interpolations. There are several instances where Habermas is incorrect or his points really mean nothing, for instance the conversions of Paul and James mean nothing. People change religions every day. The claim that the Disciples were willing to die for their beliefs is a fallacy known as argumentum ad martyrdom.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary_Habermas
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Logicman said:
You haven't even read those, Ramoss. And having read them myself, I can attest there is unique information in all of them.
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Considering how you cut/paste your sources, and the sources you used, I strongly doubt that. Yourrepetion of the same cut/pastes give strong evidence of that not being true.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

RAMOSS said:
Considering how you cut/paste your sources, and the sources you used, I strongly doubt that. Yourrepetion of the same cut/pastes give strong evidence of that not being true.
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Ramoss, why do you make it your life's work trying to wreck Christ and Christianity and those who bring it? It's not working for you.

Christ is Risen and you're on the wrong page, as usual.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

Logicman said:
Ramoss, why do you make it your life's work trying to wreck Christ and Christianity and those who bring it? It's not working for you.

Christ is Risen and you're on the wrong page, as usual.
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Well, one thing that wrecks 'Christ and Christianity' 10 times more than I ever could is posting false prophecies. That is MUCH more damaging to Christianity.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

RAMOSS said:
Well, one thing that wrecks 'Christ and Christianity' 10 times more than I ever could is posting false prophecies. That is MUCH more damaging to Christianity.
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I don't recall him ever claiming that the prophecy was definitely true... I recall him ultimately having a "let's see" attitude about it.

It turned out, after testing, to be false. No skin off his back, nor anyone else's...
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

gfm7175 said:
I don't recall him ever claiming that the prophecy was definitely true... I recall him ultimately having a "let's see" attitude about it.

It turned out, after testing, to be false. No skin off his back, nor anyone else's...
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The mere fact he posted it , and it was made to begin with demonstrates things. The fact he tried to play it both ways by the 'lets' see' only demonstrates the methods con men use.. which shows the falsity of the original claims.
 
Re: What do we replace religion with?

RAMOSS said:
The mere fact he posted it , and it was made to begin with demonstrates things. The fact he tried to play it both ways by the 'lets' see' only demonstrates the methods con men use.. which shows the falsity of the original claims.
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He can attest to why he posted it... Maybe he thought that it might come true for whatever reasons. I think his "let's see" was merely him being realistic that it isn't a 100% sure to happen type of thing.

If the original prophecy claim was "playing it both ways", then that would be a problem, but it wasn't. It took a very specific stance, and it ended up being wrong. It can now be dismissed as false information.
 
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