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God's Little Troublemakers

Logicman said:
Tsk tsk...

Do you even know what a deist is?

Deism: “[From Latin Deus, God Deity] The doctrine or creed of a Deist.” “One who believes in the existence of a God or supreme being, but denies revealed religion, basing his belief on the light of nature and reason.” – Webster’s Encyclopedic Dictionary, 1941.

"Deism is not a religion, but a religious philosophy. It advances the theory that God exists, that He created the universe, but does not intervene in the affairs of humankind." – ushistory.com.

So, a deist is one who believes that God created the universe - that he "wound up the watch" - and that thereafter he did not intervene in the affairs of men and nations. He did not reveal himself to anyone, and he did not inspire scripture or prophecy or heal people, etc., etc.

No more than a handful of founding fathers were deists. You know how I know? Because I've researched it. And because their writings do not mirror deist beliefs. And we have many of their writings on record.

So I stand by what I presented earlier, that there are few founding fathers.

As for the prophetic Messianic scriptures from the NT, I have them and you still have nothing of substance except another Dr. No routine.
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whys it matter what the founders weer again?
 
Logicman said:
The poor-man's skeptic position: PROVEN.

You're not going to find God in a test tube, LM. Get a new dog.
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you wont find it if you ask it co come out later dosent seem to be their

and it doesn't make sense for a god who wants things from you or cares about you to hide those facts

get a god you can show
 
Logicman said:
The poor-man's skeptic's fall-back position: PROVEN.

You're not going to find God in a test tube, LM. Get a new dog.
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'Burden of Proof'...Look it up.You don't seem to comprehend the concept,what it entails,and who it falls upon.
 
Logician Man said:
'Burden of Proof'...Look it up.You don't seem to comprehend the concept,what it entails,and who it falls upon.
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FYI, science has never been able to PROVE nor DISPROVE God.

Jesus is Lord!
 
Logicman said:
FYI, science has never been able to PROVE nor DISPROVE God.

Jesus is Lord!
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Agreed on your first sentence. I certainly have never made such a claim.That would be as silly as claiming any Gods have ever been proven to exist.
 
Logicman said:
Tsk tsk...

Do you even know what a deist is?

Deism: “[From Latin Deus, God Deity] The doctrine or creed of a Deist.” “One who believes in the existence of a God or supreme being, but denies revealed religion, basing his belief on the light of nature and reason.” – Webster’s Encyclopedic Dictionary, 1941.

"Deism is not a religion, but a religious philosophy. It advances the theory that God exists, that He created the universe, but does not intervene in the affairs of humankind." – ushistory.com.

So, a deist is one who believes that God created the universe - that he "wound up the watch" - and that thereafter he did not intervene in the affairs of men and nations. He did not reveal himself to anyone, and he did not inspire scripture or prophecy or heal people, etc., etc.

No more than a handful of founding fathers were deists. You know how I know? Because I've researched it. And because their writings do not mirror deist beliefs. And we have many of their writings on record.

So I stand by what I presented earlier, that there are few founding fathers.

As for the prophetic Messianic scriptures from the NT, I have them and you still have nothing of substance except another Dr. No routine.
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The post that set you off on this had nothing to do with the founders and everything to do with Deism.

This was the point you seem unable to grasp : Deism - belief in a unary God/deity/creator <- that has no further definition is simply more likely to be correct than most other religions because it's less specific. Fewer claims mean fewer possible errors.

The post did not invoke the founders in any way. You read that into it by yourself.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
The post that set you off on this had nothing to do with the founders and everything to do with Deism.

This was the point you seem unable to grasp : Deism - belief in a unary God/deity/creator <- that has no further definition is simply more likely to be correct than most other religions because it's less specific. Fewer claims mean fewer possible errors.

The post did not invoke the founders in any way. You read that into it by yourself.
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If your hope is in deism then it's just another horror story for you when you die. A deist God will not get involved. He'll still be sitting back cooling his heels. You would be meat for the insects.

Is that your great hope - an uninvolved deist God with "fewer errors" (prove it) standing by to watch you push up daisies? Say it ain't so dox. Besides, you have zero evidence for a deist god.
 
Logicman said:
FYI, science has never been able to PROVE nor DISPROVE God.

Jesus is Lord!
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That is your claim. However, you can not show that to be true. YOu can use a book to show where your claim comes from, but you can not show that book to be true and accurate.
 
devildavid said:
Blarg has been trying to talk to god in this forum repeatedly. No laziness in evidence. But a definite lack of response from god.
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As I stated before, it takes sincere effort and no one can do it for him...

"And stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God." Romans 12:2

Ponder over these things; be absorbed in them, so that your advancement may be plainly seen by all people." 1 Timothy 4:15
 
RAMOSS said:
That is your claim. However, you can not show that to be true. YOu can use a book to show where your claim comes from, but you can not show that book to be true and accurate.
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Dr. No spins his web of deception.
 
Logicman said:
If your hope is in deism then it's just another horror story for you when you die. A deist God will not get involved. He'll still be sitting back cooling his heels. You would be meat for the insects.

Is that your great hope - an uninvolved deist God with "fewer errors" (prove it) standing by to watch you push up daisies? Say it ain't so dox. Besides, you have zero evidence for a deist god.
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um a hands off god seems like it would be capable of giving people souls just as much as an interfering one could have a hands off afterlife or show interest in people after they are dead exclusively

weird but so is any other god

conversely an interactive god could just let you rot forever to

and how horrible something is dosent affect if its the case or not to begin with
 
Elvira said:
As I stated before, it takes sincere effort and no one can do it for him...

"And stop being molded by this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, so that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God." Romans 12:2

Ponder over these things; be absorbed in them, so that your advancement may be plainly seen by all people." 1 Timothy 4:15
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iv made a sincere effort over and over where the **** is your god?

sounds like you want people to convince themselves your god exists 1str then they will see how that has to be true

but god or no god that's deluding yourself not seeking the truth


so againn wiht all sinsiceiry becaer id do wabnt to know if a god exits and what its like if it exists and i want every one esle to know to


OH GOD ANY AND EVERY GOD DO YOU EXIST WHAT ARE YOU LIKE PLEASE TELL ME TELL ALL OF US OTHERWISE YOU DONT SEEM TO EXIST AT ALL

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the god did nto reply gods that want us to know about them and can make themselves known dont exist

stop judging me by faith and concluding things about me by faith in order to make yourself feel better please.
 
Logicman said:
Dr. No spins his web of deception.
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So, in stead of showing that your claim is true, you attack the person who questions your claim?
 
Logicman said:
If your hope is in deism then it's just another horror story for you when you die. A deist God will not get involved. He'll still be sitting back cooling his heels. You would be meat for the insects.

Is that your great hope - an uninvolved deist God with "fewer errors" (prove it) standing by to watch you push up daisies? Say it ain't so dox. Besides, you have zero evidence for a deist god.
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I'm not a Deist. I simply stated that Deism is less likely to be wrong because it makes fewer claims about the nature of god. Islam and Christianity go into great detail.

I don't have evidence for any god. No one has produced anything except hearsay.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I'm not a Deist. I simply stated that Deism is less likely to be wrong because it makes fewer claims about the nature of god. Islam and Christianity go into great detail.
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That doesn't make sense. Just because something is ill-defined doesn't mean it's less likely to be wrong.
 
blarg said:
iv made a sincere effort over and over where the **** is your god?

sounds like you want people to convince themselves your god exists 1str then they will see how that has to be true

but god or no god that's deluding yourself not seeking the truth


so againn wiht all sinsiceiry becaer id do wabnt to know if a god exits and what its like if it exists and i want every one esle to know to


OH GOD ANY AND EVERY GOD DO YOU EXIST WHAT ARE YOU LIKE PLEASE TELL ME TELL ALL OF US OTHERWISE YOU DONT SEEM TO EXIST AT ALL

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the god did nto reply gods that want us to know about them and can make themselves known dont exist

stop judging me by faith and concluding things about me by faith in order to make yourself feel better please.
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You are criticizing me for doing the exact same thing you do...we all judge others, based on what they say and do...you are no different...the only difference is you judge me based on your own standards...I judge you based on God's...
 
Logicman said:
That doesn't make sense. Just because something is ill-defined doesn't mean it's less likely to be wrong.
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It makes sense in the abstract, which is the level I intended. The more things you specify, the more potential errors you have.
 
Elvira said:
You are criticizing me for doing the exact same thing you do...we all judge others, based on what they say and do...you are no different...the only difference is you judge me based on your own standards...I judge you based on God's...
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judging others based on what they say and do seems good

but you're saying im lying when i say im sincerely asking for god to show itself

what have i said or done that indicates that?

because it sure seems like you faith is telling you that god will reveal itself to those who sincerely seek it therefore any one who says they have tried that and not found god must be lying


and that is not judging me by my actions and words but judging me by faith in order to protect your faith

you have not shown that a god with standards exists or that you follow those standards you have not shown that you don't simply call the standards you have chosen those of a gods


please stop judging me by faith alone

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beli...ublemakers-post1069171222.html#post1069171222

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beli...ublemakers-post1069169882.html#post1069169882


AND ANY AND ALL GODS PLEASE REVEAL YOURSELVES TO US IF YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO SO

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no gods revealed themselves it seems gods that want us to know about them and have the power to make themselves known dont exist
 
blarg said:
judging others based on what they say and do seems good

but you're saying im lying when i say im sincerely asking for god to show itself

what have i said or done that indicates that?

because it sure seems like you faith is telling you that god will reveal itself to those who sincerely seek it therefore any one who says they have tried that and not found god must be lying


and that is not judging me by my actions and words but judging me by faith in order to protect your faith

you have not shown that a god with standards exists or that you follow those standards you have not shown that you don't simply call the standards you have chosen those of a gods


please stop judging me by faith alone

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beli...ublemakers-post1069171222.html#post1069171222

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beli...ublemakers-post1069169882.html#post1069169882


AND ANY AND ALL GODS PLEASE REVEAL YOURSELVES TO US IF YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO SO

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no gods revealed themselves it seems gods that want us to know about them and have the power to make themselves known dont exist
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No...
 
blarg said:
then there's no reason to believe you are correct
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You've mistaken me for someone who cares whether you believe me or not...
 
Elvira said:
You've mistaken me for someone who cares whether you believe me or not...
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no its pretty clear you dont care if your believable just letting you know whether you care or not you're not giving any reason to believe you


jsut as its pretty clrear no gods that cna amke tmelves known to people care to


HEY GODS DO ANY OF YOU EXIST?
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no gods replied

that lack of response shows us that gods who can make themselves known and want to dont exist
 
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