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JW Public Talk Why Does God Permit Today's World...

Elvira said:
The intensity, frequency, and duration of North Atlantic hurricanes, as well as the frequency of the strongest hurricanes, have all increased since the early 1980s. Hurricane intensity and rainfall are projected to increase as the climate continues to warm.

https://nca2014.globalchange.gov/report/our-changing-climate/changes-hurricanes

An implication of the GFDL studies is that if the frequency of tropical cyclones remains the same over the coming century, a greenhouse-gas induced warming may lead to an increasing risk globally in the occurrence of highly destructive category-5 storms.

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/

https://www.livescience.com/28489-sandy-after-six-months.html


https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
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and that's why god made humans and the world hurricane proof until 2 of them they ate some fruit

god is love god is just
 
Elvira said:
Jehovah set up the laws of creation...physics, science, physical...if man abuses those laws, that is no fault of God's...that is man's fault...we have abused them to the 10th degree and we are now seeing the results...go study the science of weather and man's affect on it for cryin' out loud...:roll:
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Elvira, the issue is not human evil, but human suffering. Suffering can be caused by other people behaving badly, but it can also be caused by natural events that have nothing to do with human behavior. Just innocent people being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Your procrustean approach to suffering requires you to keep trying to work in excuses for suffering that you know is unjust and unevenly distributed among humans. Some virtuous people suffer horribly, whereas some really nasty people go through life with minimal suffering. Sometimes the source of the suffering is human. Sometimes not. If your God did not exist, then all of this suffering would be perfectly explicable as what one would expect of a godless universe. By creating such a powerful, knowledgeable, and benevolent superbeing to worship, you have painted yourself into an impossible corner with contradictions and confusion. For the theodicy to work, you need to rethink this idea that all human suffering is caused by the failings of imperfect beings alleged to have been created by a perfect being.
 
Copernicus said:
Elvira, the issue is not human evil, but human suffering. Suffering can be caused by other people behaving badly, but it can also be caused by natural events that have nothing to do with human behavior. Just innocent people being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Your procrustean approach to suffering requires you to keep trying to work in excuses for suffering that you know is unjust and unevenly distributed among humans. Some virtuous people suffer horribly, whereas some really nasty people go through life with minimal suffering. Sometimes the source of the suffering is human. Sometimes not. If your God did not exist, then all of this suffering would be perfectly explicable as what one would expect of a godless universe. By creating such a powerful, knowledgeable, and benevolent superbeing to worship, you have painted yourself into an impossible corner with contradictions and confusion. For the theodicy to work, you need to rethink this idea that all human suffering is caused by the failings of imperfect beings alleged to have been created by a perfect being.
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Maybe you should read the last part of this post again...:roll:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beli...god-permit-todays-world-3.html#post1069135586
 
blarg said:
it dosent address what he has to say

you cant hand the blame off to the devil or man if god still arranged for natural disasters to happen or put someone else in a position to arrange that
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I see communication skills is not the only thing you are lacking.in...
 
Elvira said:
I see communication skills is not the only thing you are lacking.in...
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and while your spelling out your evidence could you answer this your video did not

why would a god create the condition for anything that bad to happen and then kill people forever for not believing in it instead of doing anything to prevent them from harming 1 another without consent of the victim or preventing lasting and irreversible harm
 
Elvira said:
Maybe you should read the last part of this post again...:roll:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beli...god-permit-todays-world-3.html#post1069135586
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Ok, thanks for trying to reply. I read that post carefully, and it did not even begin to address my post.

You still need to rethink that unevenness and unfairness of suffering. It is not caused exclusively by human-related activity. Mt. Vesuvius did not erupt because of something the Romans did to destabilize it. The eruption, which killed more than 16,000 people, killed children and babies who had not had a chance to do anything evil yet. Moreover, what is up with your God's failure to intervene on behalf of the victims? According to your doctrine, he can easily perform life-saving miracles, so why let all those babies die? To punish the bad deeds of the parents? That's just absurd. And why let the evil, corrupt politicians in Rome live to a ripe old age while doing nothing to save the babies?

Again, all of this suffering and its unfairness would make perfect sense in a godless universe, not one ruled by a benevolent miracle-performing deity.
 
Copernicus said:
Ok, thanks for trying to reply. I read that post carefully, and it did not even begin to address my post.

You still need to rethink that unevenness and unfairness of suffering. It is not caused exclusively by human-related activity. Mt. Vesuvius did not erupt because of something the Romans did to destabilize it. The eruption, which killed more than 16,000 people, killed children and babies who had not had a chance to do anything evil yet. Moreover, what is up with your God's failure to intervene on behalf of the victims? According to your doctrine, he can easily perform life-saving miracles, so why let all those babies die? To punish the bad deeds of the parents? That's just absurd. And why let the evil, corrupt politicians in Rome live to a ripe old age while doing nothing to save the babies?

Again, all of this suffering and its unfairness would make perfect sense in a godless universe, not one ruled by a benevolent miracle-performing deity.
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It sure did, as did the video...you seem to have the same problem as Blarg...
 
blarg said:
and while your spelling out your evidence could you answer this your video did not

why would a god create the condition for anything that bad to happen and then kill people forever for not believing in it instead of doing anything to prevent them from harming 1 another without consent of the victim or preventing lasting and irreversible harm
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No, I don't think so because you would not understand if I did...just a waste of my time...
 
Elvira said:
No, I don't think so because you would not understand if I did...just a waste of my time...
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that or i would pick your answer apart


lets let everyone judge your reply maybe they will be more understanding then me
 
Elvira said:
It sure did, as did the video...you seem to have the same problem as Blarg...
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which bits of the video and your other link did that and how so?
 
Elvira said:
It sure did, as did the video...you seem to have the same problem as Blarg...
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I suppose I do have the same problem in trying to figure out how that post or your video addresses the question of suffering caused by disasters unrelated to human activity. It would also help if you simply explained in your own words how your god can allow innocent babies to die, sometimes in great agony, while letting horribly corrupt adults get away with heinous crimes. Where is your god's benevolent mercy for the innocent victims? What justifies their victimhood? It seems that you think he is more interested in letting people get away with murder than preventing innocent people from dying. How does that make any sense at all?
 
blarg said:
which bits of the video and your other link did that and how so?
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This is for you, Blarg...not that I think it'll do any good but who knows...I've been wrong before, maybe I am wrong about this, too...

Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering?

1. How did evil begin?
Evil began on earth when Satan told the first lie. Satan was originally a perfect angel, but “he did not stand fast in the truth.” (John 8:44) He developed a desire for worship that rightly belongs only to God. Satan lied to the first woman, Eve, and persuaded her to obey him instead of God. Adam joined Eve in disobeying God. Adam’s decision led to suffering and death.​—Read Genesis 3:1-6, 19.

When Satan suggested that Eve disobey God, he was starting a rebellion against God’s sovereignty, or position as Most High. The majority of mankind have joined Satan in rejecting God as their Ruler. Thus, Satan has become “the ruler of the world.”​—Read John 14:30; 1 John 5:19.

2. Was God’s creation defective?
All of God’s works are perfect. The humans and angels whom God created were capable of obeying God perfectly. (Deuteronomy 32:4, 5) God created us with the freedom to choose between doing good and doing evil. That freedom gives us a way to express love for God.​—Read James 1:13-15; 1 John 5:3.

3. Why has God allowed suffering until now?
For a limited time, Jehovah has allowed rebellion against his sovereignty. Why? To show that no effort to rule without him benefits people. (Ecclesiastes 7:29; 8:9) After 6,000 years of human history, the evidence is clear. Human rulers have failed to eliminate war, crime, injustice, or disease.​—Read Jeremiah 10:23; Romans 9:17.

In contrast to human rulership, God’s rule benefits those who accept it. (Isaiah 48:17, 18) Soon, Jehovah will bring all human government to an end. Only people who choose to be ruled by God will inhabit the earth.​—Isaiah 11:9; Read Daniel 2:44.

4. What does God’s patience allow us to do?
Satan claimed that no one would serve Jehovah out of unselfish love. Would you like to disprove that lie? You can! God’s patience allows all of us to show whether we favor rule by God or rule by man. We indicate our choice by the way we live.​—Read Job 1:8-12; Proverbs 27:11.

5. How can we choose God as our Ruler?
We can choose God as our Ruler by seeking out and practicing true worship based on God’s Word, the Bible. (John 4:23) We can reject Satan as our ruler by keeping out of politics and war, as Jesus did.​—Read John 17:14.

Satan uses his power to promote immoral, harmful practices. When we reject such practices, some friends and relatives may ridicule or oppose us. (1 Peter 4:3, 4) So we face a choice. Will we associate with people who love God? Will we obey his wise and loving laws? If we do, we prove that Satan lied when he claimed that under pressure no one would do as God says.​—Read 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10; 15:33.

God’s love for mankind guarantees that evil and suffering will end. Those who demonstrate that they believe this will enjoy life on earth forever.​—Read John 3:16.
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https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/good-news-from-god/why-god-allows-evil-and-suffering/
 
Elvira said:
This is for you, Blarg...not that I think it'll do any good but who knows...I've been wrong before, maybe I am wrong about this, too...



https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/good-news-from-god/why-god-allows-evil-and-suffering/
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how is eating fruit to gain soeng for yourself worship of the person who told you you would gain?

why would a loving god create artificial suffering over a command it did not need to give as part of a test that has no benefit for people
 
Elvira said:
This is for you, Blarg...not that I think it'll do any good but who knows...I've been wrong before, maybe I am wrong about this, too...



https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/good-news-from-god/why-god-allows-evil-and-suffering/
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yes its true love is selfish it would be silly to try love some one when you dont want to and it would be selfish if that makers you happy and the whole serve me or die thing is not selfless and the god you belve in is incendbly selfish
 
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