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Death, for it or against it? Afraid of it or ready to jump in the pool like an eager beaver?

Are you a reincarnation believer, or one who thinks there is a heaven?

Do you see it as just a blank slate, or one filled with visions, like an endless dream?

Are you going to hell, or a giant party with bowls filled with the finest green and hawt chicks?

I'm conflicted between them all. I lean toward wanting the party version of the afterlife, but I mostly expect the blank slate.

I love life, but I won't mind getting out of Dodge too much either. After all, who wants to live through cancer, Parkinson, Alzheimer or some stroke ****?

I'd like to keep living and achieve more, so I fear just dropping dead twenty years too soon. But, I sort of look forward to being dead because....well, it sounds like an excellent new adventure.
 
calamity said:
1. Death, for it or against it? Afraid of it or ready to jump in the pool like an eager beaver?

2. Are you a reincarnation believer, or one who thinks there is a heaven?

3. Do you see it as just a blank slate, or one filled with visions, like an endless dream?

4. Are you going to hell, or a giant party with bowls filled with the finest green and hawt chicks?
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1. I'll fight it til my dying day. Having faced it a few times, I'm still afraid of it.
2. Neither.
3. I see no reason to believe anything exists after death.
4. According to Christians, all the folks that would enjoy a giant party with bowls of the finest green and hawt chicks would go to hell. If it existed, that's where I'd prefer to be. My idea of torture would be a forced eternal existence amongst a bunch of uppity, self-righteous religious folk blindly worshiping some whiny, tantrum throwing powerful being.
 
Anarchon said:
1. I'll fight it til my dying day. Having faced it a few times, I'm still afraid of it.
2. Neither.
3. I see no reason to believe anything exists after death.
4. According to Christians, all the folks that would enjoy a giant party with bowls of the finest green and hawt chicks would go to hell. If it existed, that's where I'd prefer to be. My idea of torture would be a forced eternal existence amongst a bunch of uppity, self-righteous religious folk blindly worshiping some whiny, tantrum throwing powerful being.
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You can feel better about the hereafter and lose your fear of death once you've studied the resurrection of Christ. One of the great books that looks into the history surrounding the resurrection is from acclaimed scholar Dr. Gary Habermas. I recommend it. Knowledge is power over fear.

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Death is the final end for all living things. It is the physical end of every living physical thing. Living things die and decay. It is not a thing that is experienced, it is the end of experience.
 
RAMOSS said:
So is 'the resurrection'. Doesn't stop people from believing in it
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I don't believe you. You don't have sufficient knowledge or any credibility on that.
 
There's no evidence for reincarnation or resurrection or an afterlife. Therefore they are all bogus.
 
calamity said:
Death, for it or against it? Afraid of it or ready to jump in the pool like an eager beaver?

Are you a reincarnation believer, or one who thinks there is a heaven?

Do you see it as just a blank slate, or one filled with visions, like an endless dream?

Are you going to hell, or a giant party with bowls filled with the finest green and hawt chicks?

I'm conflicted between them all. I lean toward wanting the party version of the afterlife, but I mostly expect the blank slate.

I love life, but I won't mind getting out of Dodge too much either. After all, who wants to live through cancer, Parkinson, Alzheimer or some stroke ****?

I'd like to keep living and achieve more, so I fear just dropping dead twenty years too soon. But, I sort of look forward to being dead because....well, it sounds like an excellent new adventure.
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I can't say I'm not completely afraid of it, though I'm not sure if it's death so much as at what point in my children's lives I leave them at. I don't want it to be when they are young. I want to be there to support them in their beginnings of life and see some grandkids and have relationships with them, then kick off.

I've stated for quite a while that if I'm in my late 60s to 70s, and I have a major health issue that won't be significantly improved from treatment, I'm just going to ask for pain meds and let w/e it is take me. I don't want to cling too strongly to life, using tons of resources, for only poor quality of living. I believe that to be selfish but if others want that, cheers. I just don't get it.

Oh...and I believe in heaven as a non-denominational Christian.
 
PoS said:
There's no evidence for reincarnation or resurrection or an afterlife. Therefore they are all bogus.
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Who cares? That's not the point of the thread.
 
Logicman said:
You can feel better about the hereafter and lose your fear of death once you've studied the resurrection of Christ. One of the great books that looks into the history surrounding the resurrection is from acclaimed scholar Dr. Gary Habermas. I recommend it. Knowledge is power over fear.

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I have already wasted precious moments of my life studying it, unfortunately. What you propose is not knowledge. Knowledge is a belief that is true, and backed by evidence. Your story of your Christ character is neither of those.
 
While I am not looking forward to dying, I haven’t the least bit of fear over death.

“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”
-Mark Twain
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Twain’s quote describes my POV exactly. To my subjective self, time begins and ends with my first and last conscious memory. There is no before and after that, subjectively. I am an atheist. I don’t believe in souls. But I do believe that the conscious self is an emergent property of a functioning brain. We are a process, not a thing. I am what the universe is doing right here and now in the same way a wave is what the ocean is doing right then and there. At the most fundamental level our conscious selves are just patterns in the noise. And given an infinite multiverse with an infinite amount of time, that pattern in the noise that recognizes itself as “me” will undoubtedly repeat an infinite number of times.

Subjectively, consciousness is the only possible thing. There will never be an experience of unconsciousness. There is no oblivion to fear.
 
calamity said:
Death, for it or against it? Afraid of it or ready to jump in the pool like an eager beaver?

Are you a reincarnation believer, or one who thinks there is a heaven?

Do you see it as just a blank slate, or one filled with visions, like an endless dream?

Are you going to hell, or a giant party with bowls filled with the finest green and hawt chicks?

I'm conflicted between them all. I lean toward wanting the party version of the afterlife, but I mostly expect the blank slate.

I love life, but I won't mind getting out of Dodge too much either. After all, who wants to live through cancer, Parkinson, Alzheimer or some stroke ****?

I'd like to keep living and achieve more, so I fear just dropping dead twenty years too soon. But, I sort of look forward to being dead because....well, it sounds like an excellent new adventure.
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seems like you die and then nothing but something pleasant and mostly lucid would be nice
 
calamity said:
Death, for it or against it? Afraid of it or ready to jump in the pool like an eager beaver?

Are you a reincarnation believer, or one who thinks there is a heaven?

Do you see it as just a blank slate, or one filled with visions, like an endless dream?

Are you going to hell, or a giant party with bowls filled with the finest green and hawt chicks?

I'm conflicted between them all. I lean toward wanting the party version of the afterlife, but I mostly expect the blank slate.

I love life, but I won't mind getting out of Dodge too much either. After all, who wants to live through cancer, Parkinson, Alzheimer or some stroke ****?

I'd like to keep living and achieve more, so I fear just dropping dead twenty years too soon. But, I sort of look forward to being dead because....well, it sounds like an excellent new adventure.
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I have been spending time with my sister in law who is dying of pancreatic cancer, beyond treatment. Learning a lot from her, she is practical, isn't weepy, and accepting of her fate. We don't cry, but we hug a lot, we all know the outcome and are living in the now.
 
I have twice been in the presence of old, sick people who said they wanted to die but caregivers wouldn't let them. It's damn depressing.
 
Anarchon said:
I have already wasted precious moments of my life studying it, unfortunately. What you propose is not knowledge. Knowledge is a belief that is true, and backed by evidence. Your story of your Christ character is neither of those.
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You haven't read the book. I don't know what you have been reading but from the evidences I've seen, it's rock solid.
 
Logicman said:
Nope. There's evidence you don't like for the resurrection.
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Evidence I don't like? No, there is no evidence at all. Bible stories aren't evidence of anything except human authors.
 
calamity said:
Death, for it or against it? Afraid of it or ready to jump in the pool like an eager beaver?

Are you a reincarnation believer, or one who thinks there is a heaven?

Do you see it as just a blank slate, or one filled with visions, like an endless dream?

Are you going to hell, or a giant party with bowls filled with the finest green and hawt chicks?

I'm conflicted between them all. I lean toward wanting the party version of the afterlife, but I mostly expect the blank slate.

I love life, but I won't mind getting out of Dodge too much either. After all, who wants to live through cancer, Parkinson, Alzheimer or some stroke ****?

I'd like to keep living and achieve more, so I fear just dropping dead twenty years too soon. But, I sort of look forward to being dead because....well, it sounds like an excellent new adventure.
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I'm anti death when it concerns me and my loved ones but have no problem with certain people departing this world and am ambivalent on the matter for the majority
 
devildavid said:
Evidence I don't like? No, there is no evidence at all. Bible stories aren't evidence of anything except human authors.
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Scholars with a lot more education and research in theology and apologetics, etc., than you, say otherwise.
 
Logicman said:
Scholars with a lot more education and research in theology and apologetics, etc., than you, say otherwise.
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Scholars in fairy tales taught by people who believe in fairy tales does not credible scholarship make.
 
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