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[W:517]Jehovah's Witnesses: Cult or Ministers of God...

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it is but that would leave lots of other beliefs you could agree with so you could believe your religion is otherwise correct but flawed in this 1 way


and in the case of your religion because they will hold your friends and family hostage against you if they can if you step out of line

As usual, you are incoherent...what I can make out, you don't know what you're talking about either...
 
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As usual, you are incoherent...what I can make out, you don't know what you're talking about either...

what is the part about how you could still view your religion as gods pick and otherwise correct or the bit about how your friends and family could be compelled to abandon you if they are also members?
 
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what is the part about how you could still view your religion as gods pick and otherwise correct or the bit about how your friends and family could be compelled to abandon you if they are also members?

:confused::doh
 
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remember the unbelievers will come to kill you no matter where you live but you will only die forever if you reject the god of the faith


Beautiful video and a most encouraging new song that was introduced to us at our convention this year...not a dry eye in the coliseum...fear of man is a definite weakness God's servants have to face and strive to overcome...here it is in different languages because it was sung for the 1st time all over the world this year...

 
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Beautiful video and a most encouraging new song that was introduced to us at our convention this year...not a dry eye in the coliseum...fear of man is a definite weakness God's servants have to face and strive to overcome...here it is in different languages because it was sung for the 1st time all over the world this year...



creating a false fear of man kinda implies your not gods servants may shock you but most americans are not supportive of hunting you down and murdering you
 
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Nah, Im not as dumb or suicidal as he is. It seems Jesus was auditioning for a spot on MTV's Jackass, but he was 2000 years too early. :2razz:

It just seems that way to the uninformed.
 
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i would even the one who suffer imprisonment have not been hunted down and slaughtered


the united states wasn't listed their

The US has in times past, exercised their own types of persecution against JW's, but thanks to new laws on the books that has for the most part, stopped...

My father and son had a gun pulled on them for merely knocking on a man's door...I know of others who have had dogs sicked on them, have been spat on and cursed out...for merely knocking on their door...

Historic Milestones
JUNE 17, 2002 — U.S. Supreme Court reaffirms decisions it handed down in the 1940’s that granted constitutional protection to the public ministry of Jehovah’s Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. v. Village of Stratton)

AUGUST 1998 — Number of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the United States exceeds one million

APRIL 15, 1992 — In Pater v. Pater, the Ohio Supreme Court, agreeing with previous high court decisions, rules that a lower court had no right to restrict custody rights because of a parent’s religion

OCTOBER 30, 1985 — Mississippi Supreme Court rules that an individual’s right to nonblood medical management is protected by the right to privacy and to the free exercise of religion (In re Brown)

AUGUST 31, 1972 — District of Columbia Court of Appeals rules that a state is required to take into account a competent adult’s refusal of a blood transfusion (In re Osborne)

NOVEMBER 30, 1953 — U.S. Supreme Court rules that one of Jehovah’s Witnesses serving as a full-time minister is not disqualified from military service exemption because of his secular employment (Dickinson v. United States)

1944 — Persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses abates

JUNE 14, 1943 — U.S. Supreme Court overrules Gobitis and holds that the compulsory flag salute and pledge of allegiance violate Witness students’ constitutional rights of freedom of speech and religion (West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette)

MAY 3, 1943 — U.S. Supreme Court invalidates an ordinance applied to Jehovah’s Witnesses that required purchase of a license as a condition for distributing religious literature (Murdock v. Pennsylvania)

JUNE 3, 1940 — U.S. Supreme Court upholds a regulation mandating the flag salute for public school students (Minersville School District v. Gobitis); a wave of persecution against Witnesses follows

MAY 20, 1940 — For the first time, the U.S. Supreme Court rules that the protections of the First Amendment regarding free exercise of religion apply to state and local authorities. Additionally, the Court rules that the ministry of Jehovah’s Witnesses does not incite breach of the peace (Cantwell v. Connecticut)

MARCH 28, 1938 — U.S. Supreme Court invalidates an ordinance requiring Jehovah’s Witnesses to obtain a permit as a precondition to distributing literature (Lovell v. City of Griffin)

JULY 26, 1931 — Bible Students adopt the name Jehovah’s Witnesses

MAY 14, 1919 — Criminal convictions of principal members of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania are reversed; charges are later dropped

JUNE 20, 1918 — Principal members of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania are convicted and imprisoned for publishing material that allegedly goes contrary to the war effort

MARCH 4, 1909 — Peoples Pulpit Association, later renamed Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., is incorporated

JANUARY 31, 1909 — Bible Students move their headquarters to Brooklyn, New York

DECEMBER 15, 1884 — A legal entity, later known as the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, is incorporated

1880’s — Bible Students establish a headquarters office in Allegheny, Pennsylvania

JULY 1879 — First issue of the journal now known as The Watchtower is published

1870 — Charles Taze Russell and his associates form a Bible study group in Allegheny, Pennsylvania, and become known as Bible Students.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region/united-states/#?insight[search_id]=750972dc-8eff-4f8a-89c5-83b12e1d71df&insight[search_result_index]=0
 
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About 1,500 of Jehovah’s Witnesses died during the time of the Holocaust, out of some 35,000 Witnesses living in Germany and Nazi-occupied countries. The cause of death is not known in all cases. Since research is ongoing, figures and other details may be updated in time.

Executions: Close to 400 Witnesses were executed in Germany and in Nazi-occupied countries. Most victims were tried in court, sentenced to death, and beheaded. Others were shot or hanged without a formal court hearing.

Severe detention conditions: More than 1,000 Witnesses died in Nazi concentration camps and prisons. They were worked to death or died as a result of torture, starvation, exposure to cold, illness, or poor medical care. As a result of the brutal treatment, others died shortly after their liberation at the end of World War II.

Other causes: Some Witnesses were killed in gas chambers, subjected to deadly medical experiments, or given lethal injections.

Why were they persecuted?
Jehovah’s Witnesses were persecuted because they adhered to the Bible’s teachings. When the Nazi state demanded that the Witnesses do what the Bible forbids, the Witnesses refused to comply. They chose to “obey God as ruler rather than men.” (Acts 5:​29) Consider two areas in which they made that choice.

Remaining politically neutral. As are Witnesses in all countries today, Jehovah’s Witnesses living under Nazi rule were neutral in political issues. (John 18:36) Therefore, they refused to

Serve in the military or support war efforts.​—Isaiah 2:4; Matthew 26:52.

Vote in elections or join Nazi organizations.​—John 17:16.

Salute the swastika or say “Heil Hitler!”​—Matthew 23:10; 1 Corinthians 10:14.

Practicing their faith. Despite being forbidden to practice their faith, Jehovah’s Witnesses continued to

Meet for prayer and worship.​—Hebrews 10:24, 25.

Preach the Bible’s message and distribute Bible-based literature.​—Matthew 28:19, 20.

Show kindness to their neighbors, including Jews.​—Mark 12:31.

Hold on to their faith, refusing to sign a document renouncing their beliefs.​—Mark 12:30.

Professor Robert Gerwarth concludes that Jehovah’s Witnesses were “the only group in the Third Reich to be persecuted on the basis of their religious beliefs alone.” * Fellow concentration-camp prisoners came to admire Jehovah’s Witnesses for their firm stand. One Austrian prisoner observed: “They do not go to war. They would rather be killed than kill anyone else.”

Where did they die?
Concentration camps: The majority of Jehovah’s Witnesses died in concentration camps. They were incarcerated in camps such as Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dachau, Flossenbürg, Mauthausen, Neuengamme, Niederhagen, Ravensbrück, and Sachsenhausen. In Sachsenhausen alone, about 200 deaths of Jehovah’s Witnesses have been verified.

Prisons: Some Witnesses were tortured to death in prisons. Others died because of the injuries inflicted during interrogation.

Places of execution: Jehovah’s Witnesses were executed mainly in Berlin-Plötzensee, Brandenburg, and Halle/Saale prisons. In addition, some 70 other locations where Witnesses were executed have been documented.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jw-holocaust-facts-concentration-camps/#link0
 
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The US has in times past, exercised their own types of persecution against JW's, but thanks to new laws on the books that has for the most part, stopped...

My father and son had a gun pulled on them for merely knocking on a man's door...I know of others who have had dogs sicked on them, have been spat on and cursed out...for merely knocking on their door...



https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region/united-states/#?insight[search_id]=750972dc-8eff-4f8a-89c5-83b12e1d71df&insight[search_result_index]=0

and that's terrible we still mostly don't want to kill you kinda wish you would treat people better starting with yourselves

mean while humans exist as your gods plaything according to you and you wont be able to enjoy your eternal life unless im dead

saving peoples lives with blood transfusion is some how bad and ripping people from friends and families to coerce them into obedience to your faith is good apparently

mean while those demon loving disfellowshipped people can still find it in their hearts to not want people to attack you over your faith







its a cult
 
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So you think there is something wrong with humility?

hu,mitys fine the unbelievers are going to all come to kill you some day is not
 
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and that's terrible we still mostly don't want to kill you kinda wish you would treat people better starting with yourselves

mean while humans exist as your gods plaything according to you and you wont be able to enjoy your eternal life unless im dead

saving peoples lives with blood transfusion is some how bad and ripping people from friends and families to coerce them into obedience to your faith is good apparently

mean while those demon loving disfellowshipped people can still find it in their hearts to not want people to attack you over your faith







its a cult


And again, you don't know what you are talking about...no one is forced to do anything they don't wanna do...we obey God's laws because that is what we want to do and we hurt no one else in the process...and I have a right to choose who I want to associate with and who I don't, just as you do...
 
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hu,mitys fine the unbelievers are going to all come to kill you some day is not

You're not making sense...
 
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And again, you don't know what you are talking about...no one is forced to do anything they don't wanna do...we obey God's laws because that is what we want to do and we hurt no one else in the process...and I have a right to choose who I want to associate with and who I don't, just as you do...

acpet for the blood thing and the shunning and the support of faith based judgments less sure about the accusations about members being compelled to stay with abusive partners so i wont claim that
 
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You're not making sense...

humility sorry got the word wrong

you know those scenes at the end where the armed people on body armor come for your people like its legal that your preaching that **** is going to happen
 
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humility sorry got the word wrong

you know those scenes at the end where the armed people on body armor come for your people like its legal that your preaching that **** is going to happen

It does happen...it's happening in Russia right now...
 
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acpet for the blood thing and the shunning and the support of faith based judgments less sure about the accusations about members being compelled to stay with abusive partners so i wont claim that

Nobody is forced to stay with an abuser...I would refuse a blood transfusion because I want to, not because I would be forced...
 
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It does happen...it's happening in Russia right now...

on some scale just not the expanded one your religion is pushing
 
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Nobody is forced to stay with an abuser...I would refuse a blood transfusion because I want to, not because I would be forced...

as long as you dont try to withhold it from the kids in your religion or threaten members with shunning or death over transfusion ok
 
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on some scale just not the expanded one religion is pushing

As always, we look to the Bible...it speaks of a great tribulation in Jesus' day, as well as one that will come upon God's people during the time of the end...we don't know when, but Jehovah urges us to be prepared...

Great tribulation
The Greek word for “tribulation” conveys the idea of distress or suffering resulting from the pressures of circumstances. Jesus spoke of an unprecedented “great tribulation” that would come upon Jerusalem and especially of one that would later befall mankind in connection with his future ‘coming with glory.’ (Mt 24:21, 29-31)

Paul described this tribulation as a righteous act of God against “those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news” about Jesus Christ. Revelation chapter 19 shows Jesus as the one leading heavenly armies against “the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies.” (2Th 1:6-8; Re 19:11-21) “A great crowd” is shown as surviving that tribulation. (Re 7:9, 14)​—See ARMAGEDDON.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001077126
 
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As always, we look to the Bible...it speaks of a great tribulation in Jesus' day, as well as one that will come upon God's people during the time of the end...we don't know when, but Jehovah urges us to be prepared...



https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001077126

oh you caught us we are all conspiring against you curse your divine prophecy
 
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as long as you dont try to withhold it from the kids in your religion or threaten members with shunning or death over transfusion ok

Again, why would a person want to belong to an organization that practices beliefs they do not agree with? that does not make any sense...

And the last I checked, a parent still has the right to make decisions for their under age children, including health decisions...

There is a mother in my congregation right now who was told if she did not have a blood transfusion while she was giving birth to her daughter, they both would die...guess what...that daughter is 35 years old now and her mother is just fine, also...doctors don't know everything...
 
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