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[W:517]Jehovah's Witnesses: Cult or Ministers of God...

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You have no valid claim to 'truth'. Just because you proclaim it to be truth, doesn't make it so. Just because a book (or collection of books) proclaim itself/themselves to be truth, does not make it so. You've been taught all your life to take at face value the claims of old texts written in more primitive times, and you feel convicted in these beleifs because you've been conditioned to feel that way. Had you been born in Afghanistan, you'd probably be a Muslim--actually, given that you're probably the most unhinged Christian on this forum, I wouldn't be surprised if the Afghani version of you was a jihadist.


You beleive the Bible because it says that it is the truth, and you beleive that because the Bible says that it is the truth, and you beleive that because the Bible says that it is the truth, and you beleive that to be truth, and you beleive that because the Bible says that it is the truth . . .

That is the nature of your 'truth'; unsubstantiated, self-referencing BS.

Christian 'truth's used to be far more diverse when Christianity was in it's infantcy. There was a wide, massively conflicting array of views surrounding Jesus. The purpose of the Nicea Council was to reign in the splintered religion and consolidate it into a single narrative, and thus the canonical texts came to be known as such. This was done entirely for political reasons, as a people divided by religion are more difficult to govern.

Not even the canonical texts line up perfectly--they certainly weren't hand-picked by Yahweh, himself. Luke and Matthew, for instance, tell conflicting versions of the birth of Christ. We can't even be certain that the people attributed to those books actualy wrote them; the earliest known texts were written decades after the death of Christ, and it was not uncommon for authors to credit well-known figures for their writing in order to lend them credibility.

Fine, list them. It's one thing to throw these things out, it's another thing to back them up.
 
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Hum. If we are all God's children, and Jesus is God's only son, does that make us all girls???

Pleeaase...
 
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The truth is within but not in the doctrine of hellfire, the immortal soul, and the trinity...

You can assert that, Elvira, but I'm not going to take your word for it.

Not that I beleive his dogma anymore than yours, but flipping things around, what makes you think that your doctrine, sans hellfire, the trinity, and the immortal soul any more valid than his? You're just throwing out your sects' beleifs without giving us any reason to consider them valid, just as he is.
 
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Look at the people who call Jehovah's Witnesses a cult. Are they Christlike? [/B]



I don't know what you mean exactly by Christlike. Christ is perfect. Humans are not.



Christians who call out to warn their brothers and sisters from being deceived by false teachings, are simply following the teachings of Christ.


Romans 16: 17-18
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.


Col 2: 8
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.


1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.


2 Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.


Eph 5:11
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.





 
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You may find some of my threads in the theology forum interesting, but you probably won't. I have been posting scripture and quotes from the early Church fathers that put the JW claims to the lie.

I think not on all counts...history record puts the Church Fathers claims to the lie...

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102011443

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101982163

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101986402

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101986403

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101986401
 
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You can assert that, Elvira, but I'm not going to take your word for it.

Not that I beleive his dogma anymore than yours, but flipping things around, what makes you think that your doctrine, sans hellfire, the trinity, and the immortal soul any more valid than his? You're just throwing out your sects' beleifs without giving us any reason to consider them valid, just as he is.

True...you'll have to find out/prove it for yourself if ya really wanna know...;)
 
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That is another of many lies you have told...you are just full of them...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." John 1:1,2
Mistranslated. The original Greek, of which Russell was never versed in, CORRECTLY interprets it as "The Word was God.
 
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These would be the same people who made the heretical claims in the first place, right?

No, I reject them as a source, do some work for a change instead of just spouting propaganda.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE3zp9FiyiQ

And this is just one documentary exposing the Watchtower Cult for what it is. I lost count how many more of these, sermons by Evangelical pastors, etc. there are on YouTube alone.
 
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And just for the record, one of my ministerial interests is countercult apologetics.

Would you have trusted the Pharisees or Saducees to tell you the truth of what Jesus taught/believed?

Always check JW.ORG for accurate information on the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses.
 
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Would you have trusted the Pharisees or Saducees to tell you the truth of what Jesus taught/believed?

Always check JW.ORG for accurate information on the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses.
https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Jehovah Witnesses/jw.htm
Guess again. I will not buy into the lies you've bought into. My Bible is one of the CORRECT versions, and I subscribe to sola scriptura, meaning Scriptures alone.
 
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That entire chart has symbolic inconsistencies in it. That might show the belief, but it also shows where the belief breaks down

Ramoss, your analysis is flawed due to your bias.
 
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Would you have trusted the Pharisees or Saducees to tell you the truth of what Jesus taught/believed?

Always check JW.ORG for accurate information on the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses.

i did its a cult dedicated to putting the religion and its leadership 1st in your life some times risking it on fear of death and the abandonment of your friends and family
 
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Thats a good point, though. If Jesus was a god how were the Romans able to kill him?

Jesus died physically, not spiritually.
 
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Luke and Matthew, for instance, tell conflicting versions of the birth of Christ.

Lay your best one (1 - JUST ONE) example out for us and let's see if that bad boy flys. Identify any pertinent scriptures.


Who in the Sam Hill is "We"? You have two on your keyboard there?

can't even be certain that the people attributed to those books actualy wrote them; the earliest known texts were written decades after the death of Christ, and it was not uncommon for authors to credit well-known figures for their writing in order to lend them credibility.

No one else in the 1st century has been identified with any credible evidence as having written the Gospels, etc. If someone else had written them there would no doubt be mention of them.

As for the early mention of the resurrection of Jesus, that goes back to a handful of years after the event.

Earliest Mention of the Resurrection of Jesus

https://righterreport.com/2013/01/17/1064/
 
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Jesus died physically, not spiritually.

Same thing as normal humans according to christian theology, so I guess it means Jesus was just a man.
 
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Ramoss, your analysis is flawed due to your bias.

If you look at it from a symbological point of view, my analysis is quite accurate. Let's replace letters with the various thing

A = D , B = D , C = D. From a syllogistic point of view A = B = C = D. That's pure logic definition. THerefore, the symbol you are promoting is not logical.
 
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remember the unbelievers will come to kill you no matter where you live but you will only die forever if you reject the god of the faith
 
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Same thing as normal humans according to christian theology, so I guess it means Jesus was just a man.

You conveniently left out the part where he raised himself from the dead. Normal humans don't do that.

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." - Jesus, John 2:19

Have you ever read the Bible?
 
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