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Former Atheist Anthony Hopkins Defies Hollywood, Reveals What Led Him To God...

zyzygy said:
I am not making the claim. What proof do you have?
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Faith does not require proof. Faith in the existence of the mystical is what I have and I'm fine with that.

Do you think that faith requires proof?
 
code1211 said:
Faith does not require proof. Faith in the existence of the mystical is what I have and I'm fine with that.

Do you think that faith requires proof?
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Blind faith.
 
RAMOSS said:
That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard. It wasn't the free market economy that put man on the moon.
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Kennedy decided that we needed a reliable ICBM to present a credible threat to the USSR. Can't deliver the warheads without the ICBM. Therefore, the Space Race.

Out of curiosity, where do you think the money to finance NASA's drive to put a man on the moon came from?

Doesn't make much difference at this point. NASA is a weather service now and the folks that used to pay the taxes to finance the government-directed space waste are now just doing it themselves.

When our astronauts fly to the space station, they need to make a connection through SVO.

Go figure.

 
code1211 said:
Kennedy decided that we needed a reliable ICBM to present a credible threat to the USSR. Can't deliver the warheads without the ICBM. Therefore, the Space Race.

Out of curiosity, where do you think the money to finance NASA's drive to put a man on the moon came from?

Doesn't make much difference at this point. NASA is a weather service now and the folks that used to pay the taxes to finance the government-directed space waste are now just doing it themselves.

When our astronauts fly to the space station, they need to make a connection through SVO.

Go figure.

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You seem to not understand what science is. Science is a methodology for arriving at a goal. It is not the goal itself. It is not the motivation. In the case of going to the moon, the motivation was 'getting a head up on those commies'. It has nothing to do with the free market economy.

You seem to have a hammer in search of a nail.
 
RAMOSS said:
You seem to not understand what science is. Science is a methodology for arriving at a goal. It is not the goal itself. It is not the motivation. In the case of going to the moon, the motivation was 'getting a head up on those commies'. It has nothing to do with the free market economy.

You seem to have a hammer in search of a nail.
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A hammer made of soapsuds.
 
Tim the plumber said:
You asked if I had seen the stars being formed. I have as anybody can look at the deep field image.

No, I do not have direct evidence for the big bang in its' initial few moments. Thus I don't argue that is utterly undenyable. That the universe has expanded from a much smaller state is obvious though.

I do not use the word faith to describe my reasoning using condifence levels because of the various meanings of the word faith so as to make my position clear. I do so. That you wish it was not so clear and want to put words into my mouth is dishonest on your part.
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No t dishonest. Just a difference in point of view.

I would assume that the scientific understanding of the process of the formation of stars and galaxies is based on theories and not on empirical evidence. Is that true?
 
zyzygy said:
Try it sometime.
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Don't you just hate it when a poster edits a quote for no other reason than to change its meaning and then presents it as if no edits were made?
 
RAMOSS said:
You seem to not understand what science is. Science is a methodology for arriving at a goal. It is not the goal itself. It is not the motivation. In the case of going to the moon, the motivation was 'getting a head up on those commies'. It has nothing to do with the free market economy.

You seem to have a hammer in search of a nail.
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YOU made a comment abut the "free market economy". I responded to it.
 
devildavid said:
People can see giraffes. No one can see god. Your analogy fails on this simple fact. But if 100 people see god in my garage I will check it out, just as I would the giraffe claim.
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No it didn't fail. The analogy isn't about supernatural or about God. It's about what to take seriously - in response to your foolish comment about people claiming to have been saved by God as "a dime a dozen."

I'm showing you through analogy, that your argument actually supports the existence of God - but of course, you didn't even realize that, eh? And you can't grasp the analogy! :lol:


Oh boy.....this is worse than pulling teeth!



If someone excitedly tells you God is in your garage, would you believe it? Of course, not.

If 5 people excitedly tells you God is in your garage, would you believe it? Probably not - since they could all have plotted together to
play a prank on you.


HOWEVER.....

If 1 MILLION people - from all walks of life - excitedly tell you God is in your garage......ONLY A FOOL, at the very least, will not take it seriously, will not go to check it out, and see for himself!
 
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zyzygy said:
Nope.
https://www.chalmers.se/en/departments/see/calendar/Pages/Empirical-star-formation.aspx


Observational evidence provides new theory on the formation of stars
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:lamo

NEW????

What happened to the previous theory?????




hahahahaha :lol: Oh boy, you're pathetic.....hahahaha....you'd help atheism by not responding....hahahaha




Stars aren’t formed in the way we thought, scientists reveal
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tudy-new-how-do-universe-galaxy-a8329581.html


OOOOOPS! :lamo
 
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code1211 said:
No t dishonest. Just a difference in point of view.

I would assume that the scientific understanding of the process of the formation of stars and galaxies is based on theories and not on empirical evidence. Is that true?
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Well, we can see it happening. How does that rank?

And it it is dishonest to put words in my mouth. Deal with my position not being one you like.
 
tosca1 said:
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No it didn't fail. The analogy isn't about supernatural or about God. It's about what to take seriously - in response to your foolish comment about people claiming to have been saved by God as "a dime a dozen."

I'm showing you through analogy, that your argument actually supports the existence of God - but of course, you didn't even realize that, eh? And you can't grasp the analogy! :lol:


Oh boy.....this is worse than pulling teeth!



If someone excitedly tells you God is in your garage, would you believe it? Of course, not.

If 5 people excitedly tells you God is in your garage, would you believe it? Probably not - since they could all have plotted together to
play a prank on you.


HOWEVER.....

If 1 MILLION people - from all walks of life - excitedly tell you God is in your garage......ONLY A FOOL, at the very least, will not take it seriously, will not go to check it out, and see for himself!
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God is analogous to a giraffe? I don't just go by what people tell me, no matter how many people tell me. I use my ability to think rationally. do giraffes exist? Yes. does god? No. Do giraffes exist only because a lot of people say they do? No. They exist physically and I can see for myself. Does god exist because a lot of people say it does? No. I checked for myself. No evidence of god.

What people say is not evidence of anything except that people say a lot of things.
 
devildavid said:
God is analogous to a giraffe? I don't just go by what people tell me, no matter how many people tell me. I use my ability to think rationally. do giraffes exist? Yes. does god? No. Do giraffes exist only because a lot of people say they do? No. They exist physically and I can see for myself. Does god exist because a lot of people say it does? No. I checked for myself. No evidence of god.

What people say is not evidence of anything except that people say a lot of things.
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Sorry, devildad. You're not getting it. What more can I say?
 
zyzygy said:
Nobody gives a toss here. Religion is never discussed and I assume that everyone I know is an atheist because none of them go to church.
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It isn’t unique to Europe. Unfortunately our far left and right wing idiots try to emulate the idiotic extremist ideologies that come from Europe (communism, socialism, fascism) and part of that is jumping on the hate train of the religious people. Even when specific religious people have done nothing.
 
zyzygy said:
Nobody gives a toss here. Religion is never discussed and I assume that everyone I know is an atheist because none of them go to church.
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Oh, they're there, trust me...just because they're not in your little circle, doesn't mean a thing...

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Why is it notable when an atheist switches to becoming a theist? I agree that this is more rare than the reverse, but what effect does this have on the actual existence of a god or gods?
 
tosca1 said:
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No it didn't fail. The analogy isn't about supernatural or about God. It's about what to take seriously - in response to your foolish comment about people claiming to have been saved by God as "a dime a dozen."

I'm showing you through analogy, that your argument actually supports the existence of God - but of course, you didn't even realize that, eh? And you can't grasp the analogy! :lol:


Oh boy.....this is worse than pulling teeth!



If someone excitedly tells you God is in your garage, would you believe it? Of course, not.

If 5 people excitedly tells you God is in your garage, would you believe it? Probably not - since they could all have plotted together to
play a prank on you.


HOWEVER.....

If 1 MILLION people - from all walks of life - excitedly tell you God is in your garage......ONLY A FOOL, at the very least, will not take it seriously, will not go to check it out, and see for himself!
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Okay. Let me know when God is in my garage and I'll check it out.
 
Elvira said:
In the liberal, secular world of Hollywood, it’s rare to find any actor who is brave enough to be open about their faith in God. Hollywood tends to promote atheism as “cool” and Christianity as boringly conservative or even offensive. That’s why it was so refreshing to see legendary actor Sir Anthony Hopkins open up about his strong faith in God.

Faithwire reported that while appearing at the 11th annual LEAP Conference last week, Hopkins, 80, talked about how he went from being an outspoken atheist to believing in a higher power. Though he does not identify as a Christian, Hopkins did say that he strongly believes God exists.

During the appearance, Hopkins recounted the turning point in his life that came in 1975 as he sat in an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting where a woman asked him a deep question that changed his entire life.

“Why don’t you just trust in God?” the woman asked him. Hopkins explained from that moment onward, he no longer had any desire to consume alcohol.

Hopkins told the students at the conference that he thinks people “are capable of so much” and that he “cannot believe that my life is what it is because I should have died in Wales, drunk or something like that.” He can’t help but give credit to God for turning his life around during that powerful moment in 1975.

This isn’t the first time Hopkins has opened up about his beliefs in a higher power. While promoting his biblical movie Noah back in 2014, Hopkins said that his faith has gotten stronger as he ages.

“I feel every day, as I get older, anyway, that it’s all a miracle,” he explained. “I mean, my heart beats, my lungs breath. That is an extraordinary — an extraordinary phenomenon.”

https://www.tmn.today/2018/08/anthony-hopkins-faith-story/
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That's not 'defying Hollywood'.

Drunks and addicts quit their addictions here all the time.
 
Anarchon said:
Why is it notable when an atheist switches to becoming a theist?
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Depends on who. The conversion of outspoken atheists like Anthony Flew - a notable philosopher, said to be one of the great champion of atheism, who spent his time debating with religious counterparts - indicate he's found a compelling reason for him to become a believer, so much so that he turned his back from atheism (which he's been publicly championing for years).



what effect does this have on the actual existence of a god or gods?
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None.

But we know in this celebrity-driven world we live in, so many look up to celebrities.
They could've been singled out by God to use for His own purpose.

So many former atheists who'd become Christians aren't content by simply converting.
They go on to become apologists for Christianity. It's like they've suddenly had a calling.
 
Anarchon said:
Why is it notable when an atheist switches to becoming a theist? I agree that this is more rare than the reverse, but what effect does this have on the actual existence of a god or gods?
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Again you succinctly drive home an important point. Of course these are matters of the heart and there's no measuring frequency or rarity. But as your rhetorical question points out, the belief or unbelief of human beings does not affect the existence or non-existence of God. Either God exists or God does not exist, all DP posts and celebrity debates and arguments for and against notwithstanding.
 
tosca1 said:
Why should I bother with you? :lol: Why do you want to know?
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Obviously what's in my garage is of interest to me. Now, the absurd notion that you could actually know what's in my garage...:roll:
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Obviously what's in my garage is of interest to me. Now, the absurd notion that you could actually know what's in my garage...:roll:
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:roll:

Obviously, the analogy required that the people could see what's in the garage. Maybe, the garage door is left open?
 
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