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Question(s) To Christians Who'd Become Non-Religious[W:322]

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nota bene said:
Your understanding is mistaken. And, no, I didn't mean this at all. You, of course, already knew this, but please don't let honesty or honor get in your way.
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No i doubt my understanding is mistaken.

This is the typical nonsense of christianity. A person can commit the most heinous of crimes but so long as he claims to repent then he gets forgiven.
 
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I'll answer for my wife:

For a long time she was mad at God, she was going her own way because she had no use for a prick who allowed all of the evil she had seen, and the wrong people dying (Iraq mostly).

Now she is not exactly mad but God is not worth messing up her Sundays for..the PTSD....that is a day without people usually...a rest day.....and she thinks she has earned it...GOD can suck it if he does not agree.

A Catholic.
 
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tosca1 said:
How did your change come about?

What's the reason that made you turn away and become non-religious?
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I grew up. By the time I was seventeen I realised I had been fed a load of rubbish throughout my childhood.
 
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soylentgreen said:
No i doubt my understanding is mistaken.

This is the typical nonsense of christianity. A person can commit the most heinous of crimes but so long as he claims to repent then he gets forgiven.
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You don't think God is God enough to see through a pretense? :lamo
 
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soylentgreen said:
No i doubt my understanding is mistaken.
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It's indeed mistaken...

soylentgreen said:
This is the typical nonsense of christianity. A person can commit the most heinous of crimes but so long as he claims to repent then he gets forgiven.
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That is the wrong word... Rather, he needs to truly repent in his heart.
 
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zyzygy said:
I don't need a revelation from a god to understand wrenches. I'm pretty well up on the purposes of things. What is the hidden purpose of my can opener?


"And if you could hear the whispering of the dream you would hear no other sound.

But you do not see, nor do you hear, and it is well.

The veil that clouds your eyes shall be lifted by the hands that wove it,



And the clay that fills your ears shall be pierced by those fingers that kneaded it.

And you shall see

And you shall hear.

Yet you shall not deplore having known blindness, nor regret having been deaf.

For in that day you shall know the hidden purposes in all things"

And you shall bless darkness as you would bless light. The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran - Epilogue (Gurteen Knowledge)
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There are probably thousands of purposes hidden from you in the existence of the can opener as well.
 
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code1211 said:
There are probably thousands of purposes hidden from you in the existence of the can opener as well.
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Name some of them.
 
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zyzygy said:
Nope, it is mystical gibberish.
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“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
― Aldous Huxley, Complete Essays 2, 1926-29



“Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to that of an ignorant nation.”
― Walter Cronkite
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“Confidence is ignorance. If you're feeling cocky, it's because there's something you don't know.”
― Eoin Colfer, Artemis Fowl

 
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code1211 said:
See the pst regarding the wrench's hidden purposes.
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It was not a hidden mystical purpose. I could try to shave with a sword but there would be noting hidden or mystical about it. The poem by Gilbran implies that by getting some kind of religious epiphany then the hidden purpose of all things will be revealed.
 
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code1211 said:
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“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
― Aldous Huxley, Complete Essays 2, 1926-29



“Whatever the cost of our libraries, the price is cheap compared to that of an ignorant nation.”
― Walter Cronkite
tags: education, ignorance, intelligence, libraries
3640 likes


Like


“Confidence is ignorance. If you're feeling cocky, it's because there's something you don't know.”
― Eoin Colfer, Artemis Fowl
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Why is it not gibberish? My dreams do not whisper.
 
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zyzygy said:
Why is it not gibberish? My dreams do not whisper.
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Then the fault lies in the dreams and in the dreamer.
Your rant about Gibran merely points up your own readerly shortcomings.

Look to it.
 
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zyzygy said:
It was not a hidden mystical purpose. I could try to shave with a sword but there would be noting hidden or mystical about it. The poem by Gilbran implies that by getting some kind of religious epiphany then the hidden purpose of all things will be revealed.
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I don't feel that he implied that at all.

What he implied and what you infer may be two different things. I believe this is so.

What I inferred was that after death, once you have access to understanding and perceptions unavailable at the physical level of existence, you would also achieve greater understanding.

This is not much different than a blind man gaining sight and seeing for the first time. Everything was right there all around him. Being blind, he could not see it. Getting sight, he can.

The entire book is a parable depicting a prophet leaving a city in which he had lived and is now returning home. I feel this is an allegory on dying- shuffling off this mortal coil.
 
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zyzygy said:
Why is it not gibberish? My dreams do not whisper.
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  • a writer known for his use of allegory
; also : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression
  • The poem is an allegory of love and jealousy.


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tosca1 said:
How did your change come about?

What's the reason that made you turn away and become non-religious?
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I turned away from the man-made religious dogma.
I turned away from a lying 15yo little girl, who when I was also 15 said i got vulgar with her and i did not. But rather than ask me, everyone chose to believe the worst with no evidence except her lies.
I turned away from one denomination declaring another to not be the 'True" religion and looked down their nose at them.
I turned away from the violence religious groups seem to turn to as their default action to disagreement.
I turned away from one denomination cherry picking one bible verse and using it to build their dogma. EI...John 3:16 for the Baptists, and Acts for the Pentecostals.
I turned away from any God who somehow thinks what i eat is related to my salvation. I will dig a piece of corn from a cow paddy if i am starving. Bacon is divinely inspired, and once you have had fried rattlesnake at the fair you will seek it out from then on out.

I ACCEPTED the peacefulness I saw and experienced from SPIRITUAL people I have met the world over.
I embraced the overall peace in my soul I know is there from accepting all holy inspirations.
I accept and embrace the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal savior, along with the guidance of the Barakka, the feedback of Karma, and knowing these and more are all part of the holy plan for life, death, and the eternal spirit.
 
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code1211 said:
I don't feel that he implied that at all.

What he implied and what you infer may be two different things. I believe this is so.

What I inferred was that after death, once you have access to understanding and perceptions unavailable at the physical level of existence, you would also achieve greater understanding.

This is not much different than a blind man gaining sight and seeing for the first time. Everything was right there all around him. Being blind, he could not see it. Getting sight, he can.

The entire book is a parable depicting a prophet leaving a city in which he had lived and is now returning home. I feel this is an allegory on dying- shuffling off this mortal coil.
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How many dead people have come back to inform us of this? None that I am aware of.
 
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devildavid said:
How many dead people have come back to inform us of this? None that I am aware of.
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And no dead person informed Gilbran about the subject.
 
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devildavid said:
How many dead people have come back to inform us of this? None that I am aware of.
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You are free to hold fast to that belief.
 
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zyzygy said:
It is a fact.
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The fact you can legitimately observe from his statement is that he is not aware of any.

I can observe the same thing from your statement.

Now, can you prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that no person ever was dead and then was alive subsequent to that death?
 
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