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"Organized Religion"

RAMOSS said:
Well, it says 'Son of Man'. Now, in the idiom of the day, the 'son of man' means a human being. I wonder why the obtuse language.
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There has been much discussion and debate on "Son of Man" as it was not a term in regular usage yet Jesus says it 81 times in the NT. My own belief is that it shows both the human and divine sides of Christ. He was born of a woman (mankind) and was a flesh and blood man yet was also God. Jesus also makes that point.
 
blarg said:
still waiting to hear a sensible explanation for why a god would hide its involvement and why surfing would need to exist or why we would need to be saved by someone else being hurt
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You are ignorant of the truth yet when truth is given to you, you reject it. Until you open your mind and actually seek the truth, you will keep asking these questions.
 
veritas1 said:
You are ignorant of the truth yet when truth is given to you, you reject it. Until you open your mind and actually seek the truth, you will keep asking these questions.
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you have yet to show you have the truth

and i have still not heard back from god

whys your god not show itself?

why create suffering and death ?

why punish someone else for the thing you have done that offended your god why only make that suffering count if you believed it happened?

why would your god crate things that offend it?

why would it hurt people or kill them if it cared about them?
 
blarg said:
iv never read one send me one ill see if i can whats the problem
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You've never read a theodicy either, but you readily post that religious explanations make little sense to you.
Now, when asked about psychological explanations of Man, you suddenly scruple.

Look to it, blarg.
 
devildavid said:
In order to experience flallenness man would need a state to fall from. What state did man fall from and what state did man fall into? And provide evidence for this.
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In order to demand evidence from me, one would have had to demonstrate an open mind and a sincere wish to engage in discussion. Provide evidence for this.
 
Angel said:
You've never read a theodicy either, but you readily post that religious explanations make little sense to you.
Now, when asked about psychological explanations of Man, you suddenly scruple.

Look to it, blarg.
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just wanna send one over ill see if i can understand it or not go for it
 
blarg said:
just wanna send one over ill see if i can understand it or not go for it
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After you send over the last theodicy you considered in your considered opinion on religious explanation.
 
Angel said:
After you send over the last theodicy you considered in your considered opinion on religious explanation.
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you just seem to want a distraction because you cant come up with any decent criticism to what i have to say
 
blarg said:
you just seem to want a distraction because you cant come up with any decent criticism to what i have to say
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I'm pointing out your inconsistency, to put it mildly.
 
Angel said:
I'm pointing out your inconsistency, to put it mildly.
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not doing a good job of it i don't know how iv done anything inconsistent
 
blarg said:
not doing a good job of it i don't know how iv done anything inconsistent
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Here's how:
You offer an opinion on religious explanation without personal acquaintance with any theodicy.
You refuse to offer an opinion on psychological explanation until you are provided with personal acquaintance with psychology.
 
Angel said:
Here's how:
You offer an opinion on religious explanation without personal acquaintance with any theodicy.
You refuse to offer an opinion on psychological explanation until you are provided with personal acquaintance with psychology.
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if you have anything to cover these plot holes then show me
 
blarg said:
if you have anything to cover these plot holes then show me
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The plot holes are all yours. If you're ready to opinionate on religion, you should be ready to opinionate on psychology.
 
Angel said:
The plot holes are all yours. If you're ready to opinionate on religion, you should be ready to opinionate on psychology.
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no they belong to the people offering up explanation about their god and why the world it made had to be this way


unless im criticising post in a psychology thread not sure why im obligated to have opinions on that
 
veritas1 said:
You are ignorant of the truth yet when truth is given to you, you reject it. Until you open your mind and actually seek the truth, you will keep asking these questions.
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You should really put the word truth in quotes when you use it like that.
 
blarg said:
because his creation would be just fine that way

as opposed to the needless suffering and needless death

so i dont see any problems with my logic they may exist but i don't see them

but i still have a problem with yours
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That is not how He created us...it's like your employer at work...his company...he's the boss...don't like it? The alternative is death...
 
blarg said:
no they belong to the people offering up explanation about their god and why the world it made had to be this way


unless im criticising post in a psychology thread not sure why im obligated to have opinions on that
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Because I asked you for your opinion on that.
 
Elvira said:
That is not how He created us...it's like your employer at work...his company...he's the boss...don't like it? The alternative is death...
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god being out for itself could make sense but that means he doesn't care about his creations he cares about himself

so the answer is god is not always benevolent
 
Angel said:
Because I asked you for your opinion on that.
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give me an example ill giver you my opinion on it if i can though your still going way off topic as a distraction
 
blarg said:
give me an example ill giver you my opinion on it if i can though your still going way off topic as a distraction
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I'm not off topic. Your answer to my question will illuminate your opinion on religious explanation.
Are you claiming you don't know what psychology purports to tell us about Man?
 
blarg said:
give me an example ill giver you my opinion on it if i can though your still going way off topic as a distraction
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We already know what your opinion is on God...your mind is completely closed...sealed and locked up...
 
veritas1 said:
But He did take action. That's the part you fail to grasp. Christ went to the cross for us. Salvation is not of this world. The only thing required in this world is belief and faith for without those, you cannot be saved.
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Having his son killed by man is an odd way to take action. All that did was make man even more guilty. So God becomes a man and we kill him. That does not seem helpful. It's not as if God had no other choice. What force above god made it necessary for God to become man and make a blood sacrifice?

It makes no sense. God creates man, man fails, and the only way to fix it is for God to have man kill his son. If God could magically create everything, then god could magically fix everything. But it still calls into question why start the whole mess at all?

So the logical conclusion is that God and god stories are fiction.
 
devildavid said:
Having his son killed by man is an odd way to take action. All that did was make man even more guilty. So God becomes a man and we kill him. That does not seem helpful. It's not as if God had no other choice. What force above god made it necessary for God to become man and make a blood sacrifice?

It makes no sense. God creates man, man fails, and the only way to fix it is for God to have man kill his son. If God could magically create everything, then god could magically fix everything. But it still calls into question why start the whole mess at all?

So the logical conclusion is that God and god stories are fiction.
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Like I said before, you are free to conclude what you like.
 
Elvira said:
We already know what your opinion is on God...your mind is completely closed...sealed and locked up...
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seems to be fake the one you worship seems to be cruel in order to be self serving because that justifies your religion existing

but if there's an alternative to that which makes sense id be interested to know about it
 
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