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veritas1 said:
There has been much discussion and debate on "Son of Man" as it was not a term in regular usage yet Jesus says it 81 times in the NT. My own belief is that it shows both the human and divine sides of Christ. He was born of a woman (mankind) and was a flesh and blood man yet was also God. Jesus also makes that point.
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The arians disagree with that assessment. But, if you read the scriptures with that as as premise,you are going to see it. If you read teh scriptures without that premise, you won't see it.
 
RAMOSS said:
The arians disagree with that assessment. But, if you read the scriptures with that as as premise,you are going to see it. If you read teh scriptures without that premise, you won't see it.
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I have no idea what you mean or who "the arians" are.
 
veritas1 said:
There has been much discussion and debate on "Son of Man" as it was not a term in regular usage yet Jesus says it 81 times in the NT. My own belief is that it shows both the human and divine sides of Christ. He was born of a woman (mankind) and was a flesh and blood man yet was also God. Jesus also makes that point.
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That is my understanding of the the title as well...honestly, I don't see how a professed Jew can have an accurate understanding of anything having to do with Jesus...

Son of man
An expression found about 80 times in the Gospels. It applies to Jesus Christ and shows that by means of his fleshly birth, he became a human and was not simply a spirit creature with a materialized body. The phrase also indicates that Jesus would fulfill the prophecy recorded at Daniel 7:13, 14. In the Hebrew Scriptures, this expression was used for Ezekiel and Daniel, highlighting the difference between these mortal spokesmen and the divine Originator of their message.​—Eze 3:17; Da 8:17; Mt 19:28; 20:28.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=son+of+man&p=par&r=occ
 
Angel said:
In order to demand evidence from me, one would have had to demonstrate an open mind and a sincere wish to engage in discussion. Provide evidence for this.
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So you have no explanation for what fallenness is, or what man fell from. I'm not the one presenting the concept. If you are unable to present a logical explanation and it just an article of faith that is fine. Just be honest about it. But don't pretend that your inability to explain means that I have an inability to understand.
 
devildavid said:
So you have no explanation for what fallenness is, or what man fell from. I'm not the one presenting the concept. If you are unable to present a logical explanation and it just an article of faith that is fine. Just be honest about it. But don't pretend that your inability to explain means that I have an inability to understand.
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Where do we find the post you quote. I looked back several pages and did not find it. I can't tell from it alone what it's about. It seems to be addressed to someone who demanded evidence for something, but out of context I can't tell for what. Your reply seems to be a demand for an explanation of the concept Fallenness, but out of context I'm loath to reply. Please identify the post number. If you don't know what Fallenness refers to, read John Milton's Paradise Lost. As an English Corporal looking to rise the ranks, you owe it to yourself.


Namaste
 
Angel said:
Where do we find the post you quote. I looked back several pages and did not find it. I can't tell from it alone what it's about. It seems to be addressed to someone who demanded evidence for something, but out of context I can't tell for what. Your reply seems to be a demand for an explanation of the concept Fallenness, but out of context I'm loath to reply. Please identify the post number. If you don't know what Fallenness refers to, read John Milton's Paradise Lost. As an English Corporal looking to rise the ranks, you owe it to yourself.


Namaste
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You used it as an explanation. You need to explain how it is an explanation.

Name dropping doesn't help. Explain what it means in your own words, not by referring to works of fiction. What does it mean for real flesh and blood human beings other than being a fictional metaphor that really explains nothing.
 
devildavid said:
You used it as an explanation. You need to explain how it is an explanation.

Name dropping doesn't help. Explain what it means in your own words, not by referring to works of fiction. What does it mean for real flesh and blood human beings other than being a fictional metaphor that really explains nothing.
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Are you oblivious? Where's the ****ing post? Give me the number.
 
Angel said:
Yes, the life-threatening illness is Fallenness and the life preserved is eternal life.
This is above your pay grade, but hang in there, the light may dawn in you yet.


Namaste
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Angel said:
I see. This is just devildavid posting in bad faith again. An old story. Bye.
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You introduced a concept using a made up word. I asked you to explain what it is and provide evidence. There is no generally accepted assumption regarding man's fallenness, so you need o explain it. And also explain the connection between this concept and life-threatening illness.
 
devildavid said:
You introduced a concept using a made up word. I asked you to explain what it is and provide evidence. There is no generally accepted assumption regarding man's fallenness, so you need o explain it. And also explain the connection between this concept and life-threatening illness.
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I asked you where you got the quote you attribute to me. This quote:
In order to demand evidence from me, one would have had to demonstrate an open mind and a sincere wish to engage in discussion. Provide evidence for this.
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And you tap dance.
You're posting in bad faith, man. I'm just not interested in your rehabilitation to carry on with your brand of rubbish.

Namaste
 
Angel said:
In order to demand evidence from me, one would have had to demonstrate an open mind and a sincere wish to engage in discussion. Provide evidence for this.
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Angel said:
I asked you where you got the quote you attribute to me. This quote:

And you tap dance.
You're posting in bad faith, man. I'm just not interested in your rehabilitation to carry on with your brand of rubbish.

Namaste
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Here is the quote. So?
 
devildavid said:
Another pointless diversion, and you still haven't explained what fallenness means. Fell from what to what?
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Yes, "another pointless diversion" -- that was my thought precisely. Please take your bad faith elsewhere.
 
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