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If there is a Heaven, I'll be there.[W:417]

Dragonfly said:
A god that can create the Universe and all it contents, will accept me into heaven.

You know why I know that?

Because he/she/it will fully and completely understand why I believe the things I believe, and why I don't believe the things I don't believe.

Simple as that.

I'm a good person. I take care of my family. I take care of my friends.
My worst offenses in life don't rate any higher than breaking speed limit laws occasionally.

I don't have blind faith. God will know why.
I don't go to church. God will know why.
I don't pray. God will know why.
I think most religious folks are wrong in their interpretation of what god requires from people. God will know why.
I think the bible has it all wrong. God will know why.

God made me this way, if there is a God, so why would god punish me for being what he made me?

He/She won't.

If god created all this, then he/she created the path I'm on. So I'll be accepted into the best part of whatever lies beyond this realm of existence.

I'm one of god's "mysterious ways" to those of you who might try to deny my theory.

I'll be there. If there is a "there".

I have done NOTHING in my life to prevent my admission into "heaven".

If there is such a place, I look forward to seeing my parents and grandparents. Plus a few friends I've lost over the years.

Any god that can do the things many of you say he/she can do, and has done, will know exactly why I've lived my life as I have, and he/she will accept me with open arms.
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What happens to humans after they die? No one really knows, though many think they do.

"Religion is like a lift in the shoe, shoe… If you need it for a while, and it makes you walk straight and feel better - fine… and I say just don't ask me to wear your shoes. And let's not go down and nail lifts onto the natives' feet." - George Carlin.
 
Elvira said:
Nope...not goin' to heaven...have no desire to go to heaven...I'm livin' right here on this earth...

"The righteous will possess the earth,
And they will live forever on it" Psalm 37:29
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Temporary strategy,your flesh is dying!
 
Logicman said:
You're one to talk about bias. I have not seen such anti-Christianity bias in my life as what I continue to see in your twisted postings.
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That seems quite the rhetoric there. Now, if you could only show facts, that would be a different matter.
 
RAMOSS said:
That is , of course, presupposing that the quote from John is true and accurate. There is no reason for me to accept the GOJ as being true.
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That's completely your choice to ignore the road to eternal life.
 
Dragonfly said:
A god that can create the Universe and all it contents, will accept me into heaven.

You know why I know that?

Because he/she/it will fully and completely understand why I believe the things I believe, and why I don't believe the things I don't believe.

Simple as that.

I'm a good person. I take care of my family. I take care of my friends.
My worst offenses in life don't rate any higher than breaking speed limit laws occasionally.

I don't have blind faith. God will know why.
I don't go to church. God will know why.
I don't pray. God will know why.
I think most religious folks are wrong in their interpretation of what god requires from people. God will know why.
I think the bible has it all wrong. God will know why.

God made me this way, if there is a God, so why would god punish me for being what he made me?

He/She won't.

If god created all this, then he/she created the path I'm on. So I'll be accepted into the best part of whatever lies beyond this realm of existence.

I'm one of god's "mysterious ways" to those of you who might try to deny my theory.

I'll be there. If there is a "there".

I have done NOTHING in my life to prevent my admission into "heaven".

If there is such a place, I look forward to seeing my parents and grandparents. Plus a few friends I've lost over the years.

Any god that can do the things many of you say he/she can do, and has done, will know exactly why I've lived my life as I have, and he/she will accept me with open arms.
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Starting with an non provable and debatable premise (God can create the universe) leads to a non provable and debatable conclusion.
 
Logicman said:
There are no "good" people in God's eyes. ""Only God is truly good" - Jesus, Luke 18:19.

"for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" - Romans 3:23

The ONLY way you will get to heaven is via faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior for the remission of your sins (John 14:6, Acts 4:12, etc.).

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith (in Jesus Christ) —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." - Ephesians 2:8-9
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The bible is irrelevant to what that poster stated.

WHy pretend to be a Christian?
 
vegas giants said:
Dude my plan was to go to catholic seminary when i was younger. You dont even know who you are talking to
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That would have taught you Bingo.
But you need a personal one on one relationship with God.Start with prayer whether you believe in pray or not!Just start prayering and reap what you sow!
 
Logicman said:
Well I graduated from a seminary with two degrees, plus I have 40 years of study in Biblical Theology and ancillary subjects.

Have you ever read this work by scholar Gary Habermas?

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You claiming your resume will impress the Angel of Death to Passover you,without eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the Passover Lamb?
 
Mizzy22 said:
You claiming your resume will impress the Angel of Death to Passover you,without eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the Passover Lamb?
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Ha. You just made a giant leap to insinuate I don't partake of Communion.

Why the giant leap without evidence?
 
Logicman said:
Ha. You just made a giant leap to insinuate I don't partake of Communion.

Why the giant leap without evidence?
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Notice the question mark?
Symbolically everyone gets their chance to ride Balaam's mule.
The question is what does it take to get the Passover Angel,to Passover you?
 
Mizzy22 said:
Jacob was wrestling with a fallen Angel,known as Lucifer.
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From Genesis 32:

"24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”

But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.

30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

This was probably the pre-incarnate, divine, Jesus whom he wrestled with.
 
Mizzy22 said:
Notice the question mark?
Symbolically everyone gets their chance to ride Balaam's mule.
The question is what does it take to get the Passover Angel,to Passover you?
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The blood of Christ.
 
Mizzy22 said:
That would have taught you Bingo.
But you need a personal one on one relationship with God.Start with prayer whether you believe in pray or not!Just start prayering and reap what you sow!
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What I need is my business. If the god is the Christian god of the bible I want no part of him
 
Logicman said:
How would you know it's fictional until you read it?

Answer the question?
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I have read many other sources. How do you know if the Dharma is not completely true? Maybe you are focusing on the wrong books
 
Logicman said:
From Genesis 32:

"24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”

But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.

30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

This was probably the pre-incarnate, divine, Jesus whom he wrestled with.
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vegas giants said:
I have read many other sources. How do you know if the Dharma is not completely true? Maybe you are focusing on the wrong books
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There's only one man on earth who predicted his own resurrection, and made it happen himself.

You need to focus on the greatest single event in the history of the world.
 

I would have expected nothing less from unbelievers.
 
Logicman said:
I would have expected nothing less from unbelievers.
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As you shouldn't. Go back and read all that mumbo-jumbo you posted and tell us who's crazy 'round here.

Seriuosly dude. You might as well be discussing Dungeons and Dragons. (SMH)

Happy Father's Day.
 
Captain America said:
As you shouldn't. Go back and read all that mumbo-jumbo you posted and tell us who's crazy 'round here.

Seriuosly dude. You might as well be discussing Dungeons and Dragons. (SMH)
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It's only "Greek" to the uninformed.
 
Logicman said:
It's only "Greek" to the uninformed.
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Right on. Whatever.

But if you start talking about Slenderman or any of the Avenger characters, I'm gonna call for an intervention. ;)

Go forth. Do good. It is good for a man to believe in something.

Happy Father's Day.
 
Logicman said:
There's only one man on earth who predicted his own resurrection, and made it happen himself.

You need to focus on the greatest single event in the history of the world.
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Resurrection is a fairly common element of the world's myths, most of which long predate Christianity, particularly those drawn from agricultural societies.
 
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