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Satan - What is his purpose in life ?

It takes time because God WANTS it to. All powerful means, if he wanted, we could have learned all these lessons in 6 minutes. Or seconds. Or, in this case, time immemorial.

Humans are slow learners...always making excuses, looking for loop holes...no, God had to make sure we got the message loud and clear...

"All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm." Eccl. 8:9

"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." Jer. 10:23
 
Humans are slow learners...always making excuses, looking for loop holes...no, God had to make sure we got the message loud and clear...

"All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm." Eccl. 8:9

"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." Jer. 10:23

Not one of those scriptures refutes the point about TIME. Yes we all know man dominates man, and that man cannot direct his own step. But does this lesson have to drag on so long, prolonging the suffering!!!! If God sees everything and knows the future why can't he just show us the future results and it all be over with. Prolonging the suffering to learn a lesson doesn't seem like a loving God.
 
Humans are slow learners...always making excuses, looking for loop holes...no, God had to make sure we got the message loud and clear...

"All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm." Eccl. 8:9

"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." Jer. 10:23

Still not getting the all powerful bit, lol. Humans are slow learners because God wills it.
 
Not true...at this time mankind is independent of God's will...but there will come a time when God's will will be done...

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2004281?q=God's+will&p=sen

Sorry to butt in, but your reply has nothing to do with what KevinKohler said!!! If mankind are slow learners as you stated, it is because that is Gods will as he made us, he could of made us as fast learners!! It's really quite simple!!!! How is what he said untrue? And KevinKohler is 100% correct in that God is all powerful and could of made this whole lesson as fast or as slow as He wishes.
 
I'm not sure what you don't understand. I'm saying I met Satan in the same way as one might meet any other person--that is, physically, historically, in what we think of as our common spacetime. I have also said that I'm not going to say much more about this, and directed whoever cares to follow it up to at least a certain kind of resource. Anyone diligent enough with the program will be able to meet Satan in just the same way. Plenty of Christian saints, Sufis, and Jewish rabbis have explained in plainest terms how to meet Satan to those who know how to read. Unfortunately, not very many people really know how to read these days...

See, the reason I ask is that I too met Satan. Must have been after you did though, because I caught him slightly unaware of what was going on and I destroyed him.

Now I know you'll say that I'm making that up, and I thought about that as I stood there in awe of what had just happened. Nobody will believe what's happened or who did it.

What calmed my nerves though was that Jesus then appeared, and he thanked me for doing what legions of men before had failed to do. Jesus said the only thing that truly mattered was the he had seen what I'd done, and it would never be forgotten.

So you see, I too have met Satan, and Jesus. The good news is Satan no longer is a threat to mankind, or you. Satan has ceased to be.

So rest easily my friend, and release your burden of fear.
 
See, the reason I ask is that I too met Satan. Must have been after you did though, because I caught him slightly unaware of what was going on and I destroyed him.

Now I know you'll say that I'm making that up, and I thought about that as I stood there in awe of what had just happened. Nobody will believe what's happened or who did it.

What calmed my nerves though was that Jesus then appeared, and he thanked me for doing what legions of men before had failed to do. Jesus said the only thing that truly mattered was the he had seen what I'd done, and it would never be forgotten.

So you see, I too have met Satan, and Jesus.

Well...I've never met Jesus, and don't particularly care to. I'm pretty sure that Jesus really is a fiction, though Messiach is not, and probably not Christos.

The point I hinted at, that I will spell out in slightly plainer terms, in previous posts, is this: there are many hundreds of accounts of people who have met Satan. Some of them are clearly spurious, because the bulk of those accounts establish a kind of context in which those meetings take place, and the spurious ones bear no resemblance to the ones that disclose the correct procedure. There are things you have to do and accomplish. Those true accounts form a kind of repeatable experiment, because there are many generations of them. People in one generation do something, and Satan shows up. People in the next generation read what their ancestors did, do it, and Satan shows up. And so for the next generation. And so on. There is a procedure that is repeatable. I am bound by oath to, on the one hand, state publicly that there is such a thing, but on the other, to not reveal its details. Again, you can read about it in the accounts of Christian, Jewish, and Islamic mystics--all the way from the 3rd century down to the 20th (I'm not aware of any published accounts this century). And if you can commit to the procedure, Satan will show up.

I suppose I can tell you this much: it begins by taking an oath before the appropriate authorities to be a helper of all, and to recognize all beings--humans, animals, plants, rocks, abstract entities, misguided spirits, klipoth, and God Himself--as close kin to yourself, and to treat them accordingly, and to live accordingly.

The mistake that atheists make about people who are genuinely religious is that they think belief in God, Satan, Christ, Avalokitesvara, Siva, etc. are like belief in the local bakery, belief in evolution, belief in the news of the day. If you meet someone who is genuinely religious (assuming you are not) you are meeting someone who has been places few ever have. You could convince me that the corner bakery is an illusion, a hologram, or some such. You cannot convince me of that with God, because I know a secret you do not--it's not a secret because I refuse to tell you. It's a secret because it cannot be adequately communicated in words; if I told you, what you would hear is not the truth. But one thing that secret entails is that, if God did not exist, neither would I, you, or anyone else. How I know that, I'm not going to explain because, again, I cannot. I can only tell you that, should you wish to understand, it is possible to do so. I've already dropped more hints than I ever received on how to do it.

But again, I must emphasize that this is something that has worked for multiple people in the past--hundreds that are documented in the public sphere if you look diligently enough, and many thousands that are kept private.

The good news is Satan no longer is a threat to mankind, or you. Satan has ceased to be.

So rest easily my friend, and release your burden of fear.

Satan is hardly a threat to anyone, and he never was. His power is insignificant compared to God, or (in terms of the moral properties usually attributed to him) even compared to the power of an ordinary human being. Furthermore, he is not evil in any sense most people would understand. He's actually a very nice fellow, and I consider him a brother. I'm certainly not afraid of him. He's much better company, and much more genuine and sincerely and thoroughly good, than most people who call themselves Christians.
 
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This is what my little boy tells me about the boogie man hiding in his closet. Am I on thin ice to dismiss the possibility and to focus instead on the psychological/cultural reasons why he thinks that?

No.

Most of us recall having "boogey-man" experiences as a child, and recognize them as false attributions (e.g. a branch scraping against the window becomes something terrible hiding in the closet). A few, perhaps, were not, but it's difficult to say.

On the other hand, if you (or anyone) ever succeeds in meeting Satan, or indeed any angel, it is utterly unmistakable and cannot be false attribution. It will blow you apart. It did me, as much as I was prepared for it. If your child decides to stop playing with toys, cuts ties with all his friends, starts making straight A's in school as though it were an afterthought, and begins reading the likes of Augustin's De Trinitate or The Divan of Mansur al-Halaj, then perhaps you should credit his account of the boogey-man a bit more. Unless his nightly encounter brings about such radical changes, however, it's probably just false attribution.
 
It's questionable what you would think possible about something you'd never heard of.



Sure.



Anecdotal evidence is not worthless; so-called skeptics (who usually have metaphysical positions of their own to push, just as you have) use that as a kind of slogan, but if anyone (skeptics included) were actually to practice this evenly, their lives would quickly become intolerable.

In any event, your reasons for thinking something is impossible are rather thin here. On the other hand, you're hardly going to convince me of what you're claiming. I know what happened--I was there. Now, I certainly don't think I'll convince you to abandon your position--but then, I'm not trying to do that.

My life is not made intolerable by the fact that anecdotal evidence is worthless. No one's life is. So your claim is wrong.
 
Well...I've never met Jesus, and don't particularly care to. I'm pretty sure that Jesus really is a fiction, though Messiach is not, and probably not Christos.

The point I hinted at, that I will spell out in slightly plainer terms, in previous posts, is this: there are many hundreds of accounts of people who have met Satan. Some of them are clearly spurious, because the bulk of those accounts establish a kind of context in which those meetings take place, and the spurious ones bear no resemblance to the ones that disclose the correct procedure. There are things you have to do and accomplish. Those true accounts form a kind of repeatable experiment, because there are many generations of them. People in one generation do something, and Satan shows up. People in the next generation read what their ancestors did, do it, and Satan shows up. And so for the next generation. And so on. There is a procedure that is repeatable. I am bound by oath to, on the one hand, state publicly that there is such a thing, but on the other, to not reveal its details. Again, you can read about it in the accounts of Christian, Jewish, and Islamic mystics--all the way from the 3rd century down to the 20th (I'm not aware of any published accounts this century). And if you can commit to the procedure, Satan will show up.

I suppose I can tell you this much: it begins by taking an oath before the appropriate authorities to be a helper of all, and to recognize all beings--humans, animals, plants, rocks, abstract entities, misguided spirits, klipoth, and God Himself--as close kin to yourself, and to treat them accordingly, and to live accordingly.

The mistake that atheists make about people who are genuinely religious is that they think belief in God, Satan, Christ, Avalokitesvara, Siva, etc. are like belief in the local bakery, belief in evolution, belief in the news of the day. If you meet someone who is genuinely religious (assuming you are not) you are meeting someone who has been places few ever have. You could convince me that the corner bakery is an illusion, a hologram, or some such. You cannot convince me of that with God, because I know a secret you do not--it's not a secret because I refuse to tell you. It's a secret because it cannot be adequately communicated in words; if I told you, what you would hear is not the truth. But one thing that secret entails is that, if God did not exist, neither would I, you, or anyone else. How I know that, I'm not going to explain because, again, I cannot. I can only tell you that, should you wish to understand, it is possible to do so. I've already dropped more hints than I ever received on how to do it.

But again, I must emphasize that this is something that has worked for multiple people in the past--hundreds that are documented in the public sphere if you look diligently enough, and many thousands that are kept private.



Satan is hardly a threat to anyone, and he never was. His power is insignificant compared to God, or (in terms of the moral properties usually attributed to him) even compared to the power of an ordinary human being. Furthermore, he is not evil in any sense most people would understand. He's actually a very nice fellow, and I consider him a brother. I'm certainly not afraid of him. He's much better company, and much more genuine and sincerely and thoroughly good, than most people who call themselves Christians.

Our bakeries all closed. I lost the faith.
 
Well...I've never met Jesus, and don't particularly care to. I'm pretty sure that Jesus really is a fiction, though Messiach is not, and probably not Christos.

The point I hinted at, that I will spell out in slightly plainer terms, in previous posts, is this: there are many hundreds of accounts of people who have met Satan. Some of them are clearly spurious, because the bulk of those accounts establish a kind of context in which those meetings take place, and the spurious ones bear no resemblance to the ones that disclose the correct procedure. There are things you have to do and accomplish. Those true accounts form a kind of repeatable experiment, because there are many generations of them. People in one generation do something, and Satan shows up. People in the next generation read what their ancestors did, do it, and Satan shows up. And so for the next generation. And so on. There is a procedure that is repeatable. I am bound by oath to, on the one hand, state publicly that there is such a thing, but on the other, to not reveal its details. Again, you can read about it in the accounts of Christian, Jewish, and Islamic mystics--all the way from the 3rd century down to the 20th (I'm not aware of any published accounts this century). And if you can commit to the procedure, Satan will show up.

I suppose I can tell you this much: it begins by taking an oath before the appropriate authorities to be a helper of all, and to recognize all beings--humans, animals, plants, rocks, abstract entities, misguided spirits, klipoth, and God Himself--as close kin to yourself, and to treat them accordingly, and to live accordingly.

The mistake that atheists make about people who are genuinely religious is that they think belief in God, Satan, Christ, Avalokitesvara, Siva, etc. are like belief in the local bakery, belief in evolution, belief in the news of the day. If you meet someone who is genuinely religious (assuming you are not) you are meeting someone who has been places few ever have. You could convince me that the corner bakery is an illusion, a hologram, or some such. You cannot convince me of that with God, because I know a secret you do not--it's not a secret because I refuse to tell you. It's a secret because it cannot be adequately communicated in words; if I told you, what you would hear is not the truth. But one thing that secret entails is that, if God did not exist, neither would I, you, or anyone else. How I know that, I'm not going to explain because, again, I cannot. I can only tell you that, should you wish to understand, it is possible to do so. I've already dropped more hints than I ever received on how to do it.

But again, I must emphasize that this is something that has worked for multiple people in the past--hundreds that are documented in the public sphere if you look diligently enough, and many thousands that are kept private.



Satan is hardly a threat to anyone, and he never was. His power is insignificant compared to God, or (in terms of the moral properties usually attributed to him) even compared to the power of an ordinary human being. Furthermore, he is not evil in any sense most people would understand. He's actually a very nice fellow, and I consider him a brother. I'm certainly not afraid of him. He's much better company, and much more genuine and sincerely and thoroughly good, than most people who call themselves Christians.


I will say this.
At this point in time, there's no other member of DP I'd rather split a pizza with, and share a few pitchers of beer with, than you.
 
There is no Collective Unconscious. Jung just made this up.

I was speaking theoretically, of course. Notice I said, "I think," so this comment of yours was completely unnecessary, unless you accidentally hit 'submit' and meant to follow it up with a constructive alternative theory of your own. Or are you just here to pick on people who think differently than you?
 
I was speaking theoretically, of course. Notice I said, "I think," so this comment of yours was completely unnecessary, unless you accidentally hit 'submit' and meant to follow it up with a constructive alternative theory of your own. Or are you just here to pick on people who think differently than you?

I don't need an alternative theory to replace made up stuff.
 
That's precisely why deviddavid and zygygy are here, given their past post history.

Ya gotta admit...their posts way out in left field are entertaining...:mrgreen:
 
Ya gotta admit...their posts way out in left field are entertaining...:mrgreen:

It's entertaining listening to their "what's your evidence?!" requests, as if everything needs physical evidence in order to be true, yet they live their lives based off of numerous properly basic beliefs, such as the existence of "minds" other than their own.

At other times, it's quite sad because their stubbornness/ignorance of deeper philosophy and intelligence will keep them from ever discovering God during their lifetime.
 
It's entertaining listening to their "what's your evidence?!" requests, as if everything needs physical evidence in order to be true, yet they live their lives based off of numerous properly basic beliefs, such as the existence of "minds" other than their own.

At other times, it's quite sad because their stubbornness/ignorance of deeper philosophy and intelligence will keep them from ever discovering God during their lifetime.

What amazes me most is even though they don't believe in God, they're always wanting to play God...telling everyone else where they are wrong...SMH...:lamo
 
It's entertaining listening to their "what's your evidence?!" requests, as if everything needs physical evidence in order to be true, yet they live their lives based off of numerous properly basic beliefs, such as the existence of "minds" other than their own.

At other times, it's quite sad because their stubbornness/ignorance of deeper philosophy and intelligence will keep them from ever discovering God during their lifetime.

What you are experiencing from them is commonly solipsism

"As a metaphysical position, solipsism goes further to the conclusion that the world and other minds do not exist."

I'm not even Christian and I have to admit there is rampant and frothing-at-the-mouth-levels of narrow-mindedness on all sides of the extremities.
 
My life is not made intolerable by the fact that anecdotal evidence is worthless. No one's life is. So your claim is wrong.

Well, just try practicing it for a while. Anytime someone tells you something--anytime someone asserts something to you, that's anecdotal evidence. There's assumed to be some story, some way they acquire whatever it is they assert. Is someone telling you it's nearly noon? Don't believe it. Demand a full-scale experiment. Is someone telling you the clam chowder isn't so good here? Don't believe it--order it anyway. Do you have a brother or sister, child, spouse, etc. doubled over in pain telling you they need to go to the hospital? That's anecdotal evidence! Worthless! Demand better evidence from them! Etc.

Actually try to apply that rule, and you'll end up believing almost nothing. The amount of information people receive via the testimony of others--what is called "anecdotal evidence" by so-called "skeptics"--is the bulk of information we receive.
 
I will say this.
At this point in time, there's no other member of DP I'd rather split a pizza with, and share a few pitchers of beer with, than you.

I appreciate that. I hope you found what I wrote stimulating, if nothing else.
 
It's entertaining listening to their "what's your evidence?!" requests, as if everything needs physical evidence in order to be true, yet they live their lives based off of numerous properly basic beliefs, such as the existence of "minds" other than their own.

At other times, it's quite sad because their stubbornness/ignorance of deeper philosophy and intelligence will keep them from ever discovering God during their lifetime.

I know that you physically exist and have a physical brain. I know you have thoughts of god in your brain. But your claims of being aware of something deeper is just unwarranted arrogance, not a superior ability. The ability to believe in made up things is not a sign of intelligence.
 
I appreciate that. I hope you found what I wrote stimulating, if nothing else.

Sure makes me want to read more from you.

I imagine you could have quite a long thread if you started it off with:

"Satan is actually a nice guy, and far better to hang out with than many christians..."
 
SATAN

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WHAT IS HIS PURPOSE IN LIFE?

I
To nourish narcissism in empty noggins.

II
To deposit delusions of grandeur in destitute souls.

III
To ergonomize the egotism of the egomaniac.

IV
To work tirelessly in the idle mind.

V
To get the stunted imagination to deny his existence.

VI
Deep cover. Sleeper agency.

VII
Mystification and befuddlement, as evidenced heretofore herein.

VIII
To spark a cathexis of libido or mortido in New Atheists, millennial progressives, and anachronistic materialists in production of all manner of self-satisfied silliness.

IX
Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n' Roll

X
Spawning New Atheists


THE TEN COMMANDS OF SATAN

A public service post

by Angel



...

Dial 1-800-666 to find Devil's Advocates and Devil's Disciples in your city, town or village
 
I know that you physically exist and have a physical brain.
Sure, you can see my body and see my brain, but you can't see my mind. You make use of the properly basic belief that minds other than your own exist as the grounding of your position that I exist in the same way that you exist. You have no way of proving that position however.

I know you have thoughts of god in your brain.
No, you don't. You base that position off of believing the words that come out of my mouth (or more accurately, the text that appears on your device's screen that is attached to my chosen user name). You can't MRI scan my brain (mind) and "verify" that, indeed, I have thoughts of God in my brain (mind). You are choosing to believe that the text you see on your device's screen corresponds with my mind's "will".

But your claims of being aware of something deeper is just unwarranted arrogance, not a superior ability. The ability to believe in made up things is not a sign of intelligence.
I suggest that you take some time to more deeply study philosophical matters such as properly basic beliefs.
 
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