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Leah Remini to tackle Jehovah's Witnesses

devildavid said:
So it shows that dying for a belief does not make that belief any more "true" than just a blind belief. Dying for something demonstrates more about the person who dies than it does for what they died for. It is a meaningless argument to use in favor of any belief.
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If you can logically explain why every apostle was willing to be martyred if they knew the things they were saying they witnessed concerning Christ were not true, then you may have made a new breakthrough in psychoanalysis.
 
blarg said:
you apparently ok with anything happening to any one so long as you believe a magical sky daddy wants it that's dangerous

if you gave up your faith and just spent your timer mastubritng to pictures of genocide you would show a greater concern for you fellow man and the rights and wellbeing of others
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Man does what he does because he is sinful. Wars and the like are man's doing, not God's. God is letting man have it his way for now and man is showing that he has no idea what he is doing. It will not always be this way.


Oh, and a little punctuation couldn't hurt you.
 
gfm7175 said:
You're assuming that God is fictional without knowing that God is fictional.
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God has to be fictional because if God is real, that makes things complicated and calls for some sort of decision on how you are going to relate to God. Ironically, as much or more energy is spent on rationalizations and arguments against God then would be spent on anything required by acceptance.
 
devildavid said:
There is no Triune god character in the Old Testament stories.
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Genesis 1:26 New International Version (NIV)
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Who is "us"?
 
gfm7175 said:
Not really...


Jesus Christ was not on earth as a human in the Old Testament, but he was in existence as part of God since the very beginning, as the book of John states.
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The character of Jesus does not exist in any old testament fictional writings. A new testament writing is not evidence of what characters actually appear in the Old testament.
 
veritas1 said:
God has to be fictional because if God is real, that makes things complicated and calls for some sort of decision on how you are going to relate to God. Ironically, as much or more energy is spent on rationalizations and arguments against God then would be spent on anything required by acceptance.
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I accept that God is fictional. Why don't you?
 
gfm7175 said:
Absolutely false.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV) states-- And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:1-2 speak of both "God" and the "Spirit of God".

I think that the trifold praise from Isaiah 6:3 "...holy holy holy is the LORD of hosts..." is quite telling as well.
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Your first quote would be a dual God.

Your second quote means that God is very holy, so we repeat the word for emphasis. But keep trying.
 
Elvira said:
Not true...when God communicated with humans he used the Word as his angelic mouthpiece...Gen. 16:7-11; 22:11; 31:11; Ex. 3:2-5; Judges 2:1-4; 6:11, 12; 13:3

Since the angel that guided the Israelites through the wilderness had ‘Jehovah’s name within him,’ he may have been God’s Son, the Word.​..Ex 23:20-23

This one was in the beginning with God...since Jehovah is eternal and had no beginning...Psalm 90:2
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May have been? Bad guess.
 
devildavid said:
I accept that God is fictional. Why don't you?
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That has already been explained. What I accept as fictional is the idea that the universe could have popped into existence on its own for no reason or that the enormous complexity of life on this planet just occurred by happy accident.

The difference between us is that it won't matter at all to me in the end if God is fictional but it will matter greatly to you if He is real. So, I can understand the stridency in insisting He doesn't exist.
 
devildavid said:
Your first quote would be a dual God.

Your second quote means that God is very holy, so we repeat the word for emphasis. But keep trying.
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Oh, so "us" can only refer to two subjects? Since when? You need to alert the media. What's really humorous here is that you insist that "he" and "him" in Isaiah 53, refers to the whole people of Israel.
 
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veritas1 said:
If you can logically explain why every apostle was willing to be martyred if they knew the things they were saying they witnessed concerning Christ were not true, then you may have made a new breakthrough in psychoanalysis.
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How do you know every apostle was willing to be martyred? How do you know what was in their hearts?

To reiterate, human behavior is not evidence of the veracity or "truth" of any belief. It is only evidence that human beings are capable of sacrificing their lives for a strongly held belief.
 
veritas1 said:
Genesis 1:26 New International Version (NIV)
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Who is "us"?
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Ever heard of the royal we?
 
veritas1 said:
That has already been explained. What I accept as fictional is the idea that the universe could have popped into existence on its own for no reason or that the enormous complexity of life on this planet just occurred by happy accident.

The difference between us is that it won't matter at all to me in the end if God is fictional but it will matter greatly to you if He is real. So, I can understand the stridency in insisting He doesn't exist.
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No, it doesn't matter to me that God is fictional.
 
veritas1 said:
Oh, so "us" can only refer to two subjects? Since when? You need to alert the media. What's really humorous here is that you insist that "he" and "him" in Isaiah 53, refers to the whole people of Israel.
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The quote said god and the spirit, no mention of us.That is two entities at most, but more likely not meant literally since it is in an allegorical story.
 
veritas1 said:
So, this means that you know beyond all certainty that God doesn't exist. Please tell me how you came by such knowledge.
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Logic and reason. And looking around, I didn't notice any gods.
 
devildavid said:
The quote said god and the spirit, no mention of us.That is two entities at most, but more likely not meant literally since it is in an allegorical story.
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What quote are you referring to now? I posted Genesis 1:26.
 
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