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Leah Remini to tackle Jehovah's Witnesses

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Dragonfly said:
Leah Remini to tackle Jehovah's Witnesses in new special following 'Kevin Can Wait' cancellation | Fox News




Well, this could be fun to watch. :mrgreen:

While not quite on the same level of "you've got to be kidding me" as the Scientologists, there's plenty of crazy nonsense that can be exposed when it comes to JW's.
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Plenty of crazy nonsense about Jehovah's Witnesses .... and every other religion, past and present. Water into Wine anybody? Every religion expects supposed grown-ups to believe in magic.
 
Sweden said:
Plenty of crazy nonsense about Jehovah's Witnesses .... and every other religion, past and present. Water into Wine anybody? Every religion expects supposed grown-ups to believe in magic.
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I can see why it's hard for a non-believer to believe in "water into wine" and various other miracles, but for a believer in the Christian God, the greatest miracle (creation of the universe ex-nihilo) has already been performed by God, so turning water into wine would be easy-peasy for him comparatively.
 
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chuckiechan said:
One man's craziness is another man's dogma.

I don't recall ever hearing of them hurting anyone.
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It's not too far fetched to suggest that many of their practices of segregating and separating their children from the outside world/local community are hurtful.

Plenty of the JW's policies could/can easily be described as brainwashing.
 
Dragonfly said:
It's not too far fetched to suggest that many of their practices of segregating and separating their children from the outside world/local community are hurtful.

Plenty of the JW's policies could/can easily be described as brainwashing.
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Why, of course we are...our brains have been washed clean from the filth of Satan's world...
 
Dragonfly said:
It's not too far fetched to suggest that many of their practices of segregating and separating their children from the outside world/local community are hurtful.

Plenty of the JW's policies could/can easily be described as brainwashing.
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I'll be curious to learn more about JWs. Their beliefs have driven a huge wedge between my FIL and his older brother who married a JW. His wife finally convinced him to convert with threatening to leave him (after 60+ years of marriage). He apparently even had to have his baptism removed from the rolls of the church he was baptized in when he was a kid. I haven't seen this woman in probably 20 years as she quit associating with my wife's family once she got deeper into the church, she's now got her husband isolated from his brothers and they rarely see him any more (they used to hang out several times a week). I doubt my wife will ever see her uncle again as he's not "allowed" to come visit when we're in town anymore.

Anywho, IMO any religion that actively works to separate ties with non-believing family members does more harm than good.
 
Her works on Scientology have been fascinating. Other than the issues with denying certain medical treatment to minors I have always considered JW benign but I don’t know much about it. If she does this special the way she did her work on Scientology, interviewing actual,current and former members of the religion, it should be informative.

I am an atheist so it all seems silly to me but I do see a difference between cults and religions. The defining characteristic of a cult to me is emphasis on isolating its membership from non members, even including family members. I never thought JW did that as a rule but if that isn’t the case then I will have to reclassify them as a cult.
 
gfm7175 said:
I can see why it's hard for a non-believer to believe in "water into wine" and various other miracles, but for a believer in the Christian God, the greatest miracle (creation of the universe ex-nihilo) has already been performed by God, so turning water into wine would be easy-peasy for him comparatively.
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People are entirely free to believe in magic and even to boast about their irrationality. But I think they should refrain from claiming moral superiority and the right to tell others how thy should behave.
 
chuckiechan said:
One man's craziness is another man's dogma.

I don't recall ever hearing of them hurting anyone.
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Dogma once led to people being burnt alive and dogma today causes people to be stoned to death. Both must hurt a lot.
 
gfm7175 said:
I can see why it's hard for a non-believer to believe in "water into wine" and various other miracles, but for a believer in the Christian God, the greatest miracle (creation of the universe ex-nihilo) has already been performed by God, so turning water into wine would be easy-peasy for him comparatively.
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Except, that whole 'creation of the universe by God ex-nihilo' is not shown to be true. It's a matter of faith, nothing more.

In fact, from a biblical point of view, God didn't create the heavens and the earth out of nothing, he formed it from per-existing material (he separated the earth from the waters, which was a symbolic way of saying he created order in a sea of chaos).
 
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RAMOSS said:
Except, that whole 'creation of the universe by God ex-nihilo' is not shown to be true. It's a matter of faith, nothing more.

In fact, from a biblical point of view, God didn't create the heavens and the earth out of nothing, he formed it from per-existing material (he separated the earth from the waters, which was a symbolic way of saying he created order in a sea of chaos).
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From a Biblical POV, in the beginning God created the HEAVENS AND THE EARTH (Genesis 1:1).
 
Logicman said:
From a Biblical POV, in the beginning God created the HEAVENS AND THE EARTH (Genesis 1:1).
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Let's look at those passages, so we can examine it in context.

Genesis 1:1 says what was done

Geneisis 1:2 starts the details of what is done. It starts out

Now the earth was astonishingly empty, and darkness was on the face of the deep, and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water.

Now, the darkness on the face of the deep is representing the sea/ocean, to the ancient's viewpoint was symbolic of chaos. The cultural reference to chaos is much different that modern society. It was a malevolent seething amount of uncertainty.

And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. גוַיֹּ֥אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֖ים יְהִי־א֑וֹר וַֽיְהִי־אֽוֹר:
4And God saw the light that it was good, and God separated between the light and between the darkness.
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And here, symbolically, the light represents order, and the darkness the malevolent chaos. In this instance of time. God made order out of the preexisting chaos.

Hint: that's not ex-nilho.
 
zyzygy said:
And don't you think that denying a child a life saving blood transfusion is a form of abuse?
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Even if I fully grant you that point, which I would (in a general sense) agree with it, that action isn't any worse than denying a child it's right to life, and y'all seem just fine with murdering innocent babies every single day through the act of abortion...
 
Fran Drescher ran out of roles for annoying stereotypical actresses as well...so at least Leah has found work. Good on her.
 
gfm7175 said:
Even if I fully grant you that point, which I would (in a general sense) agree with it, that action isn't any worse than denying a child it's right to life, and y'all seem just fine with murdering innocent babies every single day through the act of abortion...
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The irony is ****ing TREMENDOUS......
 
Logicman said:
From a Biblical POV, in the beginning God created the HEAVENS AND THE EARTH (Genesis 1:1).
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Angry Kitty once again is 100% theologically lost... Genesis 1:1 says "God created the heavens and earth"... That means the whole universe... He didn't use preexisting materials, and if he did, then how did the preexisting materials get there? Angry Kitty needs to think things through a little bit more before spouting off nonsensical theological positions... The Bible is quite clear on how the universe began...
 
gfm7175 said:
Even if I fully grant you that point, which I would (in a general sense) agree with it, that action isn't any worse than denying a child it's right to life, and y'all seem just fine with murdering innocent babies every single day through the act of abortion...
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And here we have the logical fallacy of equivocation. A fetus is not a baby. It's not illegal, and until birth , does not have any rights.
 
RAMOSS said:
And here we have the logical fallacy of equivocation. A fetus is not a baby. It's not illegal, and until birth , does not have any rights.
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Bull****...
 
gfm7175 said:
I can see why it's hard for a non-believer to believe in "water into wine" and various other miracles, but for a believer in the Christian God, the greatest miracle (creation of the universe ex-nihilo) has already been performed by God, so turning water into wine would be easy-peasy for him comparatively.
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If your god is what you claim the so-called miracle of creation is a massive failure. Unlimited power and this is the best it could do?
 
VanceMack said:
kinda the point......
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Hahahaha I totally took your post the wrong way... I took it as a jab from a pro-abortionist hahaha... I guess reading comprehension is helpful sometimes :)
 
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