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Is atheism just worship of the devil under different name?

RAMOSS said:
In other words... your interaction here is not honest or relevant. Why do you hang out in the skeptics section?
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Oh, I am very sincere to those who seem sincere to me...you, not so much...you seem to be here only to waste your time and others...I'd rather enjoy myself here and that is impossible with you...you live to frustrate and I will not allow myself to be frustrated by you or anyone else, for that matter...
 
Elvira said:
Oh, I am very sincere to those who seem sincere to me...you, not so much...you seem to be here only to waste your time and others...I'd rather enjoy myself here and that is impossible with you...you live to frustrate and I will not allow myself to be frustrated by you or anyone else, for that matter...
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I do not see evidence of that claim.

That is what is known as 'An unsupported claim'.
 
Elvira said:
You have it backwards...pagan religions copied from the accounts in the Bible...btw, John was a Christian who wrote Revelation in the language of Koine Greek, not Hebrew, the Jewish language...
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Zoroastrianism is 2500 years old. How old is Christianity?

The Bible also does not mention 3 magi...the number is not given...
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OK. But what does that have to do with anything? "Magi" is still the term for a Zoroastrian priest.
 
ataraxia said:
Zoroastrianism is 2500 years old. How old is Christianity?



OK. But what does that have to do with anything? "Magi" is still the term for a Zoroastrian priest.
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Again, I am not talking about Christianity...and I know what magi are, which is one reason why Jesus' birth account is somewhat distorted by most of Christendom today...what does that have to do with anything...you said 3 magi...the Bible account does not give a number...another distortion...

BTW...go back and start with Abel if ya wanna know what the oldest religion is...
 
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devildavid said:
All concepts reside physically in the brain. No physical brain, no concept. A rutabaga does not rely on a brain for its existence.
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Please provide instructions on how I can find concepts physically residing in the brain.

Please provide instructions on how to find a physical rutabaga in the physical world without using your brain.

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
Please provide instructions on how I can find concepts physically residing in the brain.

Please provide instructions on how to find a physical rutabaga in the physical world without using your brain.

Roseann:)
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First one is self evident. You are doing it now.

Second one is irrelevant. The rutabaga that you use your brain, nervous system, and body to find does not reside in your brain nor does it depend on your brain for its existence.
 
devildavid said:
First one is self evident. You are doing it now.

Second one is irrelevant. The rutabaga that you use your brain, nervous system, and body to find does not reside in your brain nor does it depend on your brain for its existence.
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Okay. You are incapable of providing instruction so I will just need to take your word for it, got it!

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
Okay. You are incapable of providing instruction so I will just need to take your word for it, got it!

Roseann:)
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Think of a concept, any concept. When you do, it will be in your brain. If you don't know what thinking with your brain is, I'm not sure how you are able to post here

I already gave sufficient instructions to find a rutabaga.
 
Elvira said:
Again, I am not talking about Christianity...and I know what magi are, which is one reason why Jesus' birth account is somewhat distorted by most of Christendom today...what does that have to do with anything...you said 3 magi...the Bible account does not give a number...another distortion...

BTW...go back and start with Abel if ya wanna know what the oldest religion is...
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This would make sense if Judaism had come up with the idea first. But the ancient Jews did not believe in an after life rewarded by good or bad behavior. They only came up with these stories after being exposed to the Persians. So you’re going to have to try a little harder to make this story work. Keep trying though. You are very imaginative.
 
CharisRose said:
Please provide instructions on how I can find concepts physically residing in the brain.

Please provide instructions on how to find a physical rutabaga in the physical world without using your brain.

Roseann:)
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Is there a difference between a rutabaga in the brain and a unicorn in the brain?
 
ataraxia said:
This would make sense if Judaism had come up with the idea first. But the ancient Jews did not believe in an after life rewarded by good or bad behavior. They only came up with these stories after being exposed to the Persians. So you’re going to have to try a little harder to make this story work. Keep trying though. You are very imaginative.
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There is no trying to it...and it is not a story, it is truth...the same God Abel served, I serve as well...along with Moses, David, Isaiah, Daniel, Malachi, and 1st century Christians...oh, and let's not forget the faithful sisters...Ruth, Naomi, Rahab, Sarah, Abigail...we all serve the same God...
 
Elvira said:
There is no trying to it...and it is not a story, it is truth...the same God Abel served, I serve as well...along with Moses, David, Isaiah, Daniel, Malachi, and 1st century Christians...oh, and let's not forget the faithful sisters...Ruth, Naomi, Rahab, Sarah, Abigail...we all serve the same God...
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When did those people live? What time in human history?
 
ataraxia said:
This would make sense if Judaism had come up with the idea first. But the ancient Jews did not believe in an after life rewarded by good or bad behavior. They only came up with these stories after being exposed to the Persians. So you’re going to have to try a little harder to make this story work. Keep trying though. You are very imaginative.
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Oh, and you are wrong about that, too...there are scriptures in the Hebrew writings that prove you are wrong...faithful servants of old most certainly believed in the resurrection/hope of everlasting life...so much so that they wrote about it...

"Jehovah kills, and he preserves life;
He brings down to the Grave, and he raises up" 1 Sam. 2:6


"He will swallow up death forever,
And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will wipe away the tears from all faces.
The reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth,
For Jehovah himself has spoken it." Isaiah 25:8

“Your dead will live.
My corpses* will rise up.
Awake and shout joyfully,
You residents in the dust!
For your dew is as the dew of the morning,
And the earth will let those powerless in death come to life." Isaiah 26:19

"From the power of the Grave I will redeem them;
From death I will recover them.
Where are your stings, O Death?
Where is your destructiveness, O Grave?
Compassion will be concealed from my eyes." Hosea 13:14

They also understood there were everlasting consequences to their bad behavior...Gen 2:17; Gen 3:17-19
 
devildavid said:
When did those people live? What time in human history?
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Timeline
“In the beginning . . .”

4026 B.C.E. Adam’s creation

3096 B.C.E. Death of Adam

2370 B.C.E. Floodwaters fall

2018 B.C.E. Abraham born

1943 B.C.E. Abrahamic covenant

1750 B.C.E. Joseph sold as a slave

before 1613 B.C.E. Job’s trial

1513 B.C.E. Exodus from Egypt

1473 B.C.E. Israel enters Canaan under Joshua

1467 B.C.E. Major conquest of Canaan completed

1117 B.C.E. Saul anointed as king

1070 B.C.E. God makes Kingdom promise to David

1037 B.C.E. Solomon becomes king

1027 B.C.E. Temple in Jerusalem completed

circa 1020 B.C.E. Song of Solomon completed

997 B.C.E. Israel is divided into two kingdoms

circa 717 B.C.E. Compiling of Proverbs completed

607 B.C.E. Jerusalem destroyed; exile in Babylon begins

539 B.C.E. Babylon falls to the conqueror Cyrus

537 B.C.E. Jewish exiles return to Jerusalem

455 B.C.E. Jerusalem’s walls rebuilt; 69 weeks of years begin

After 443 B.C.E. Malachi completes his prophetic book

circa 2 B.C.E. Birth of Jesus

29 C.E. Jesus is baptized and begins to preach about God’s Kingdom

31 C.E. Jesus chooses his 12 apostles; delivers Sermon on the Mount

32 C.E. Jesus resurrects Lazarus

Nisan 14, 33 C.E. Jesus is impaled (Nisan corresponds to part of March and part of April)

Nisan 16, 33 C.E. Jesus is resurrected

Sivan 6, 33 C.E. Pentecost; outpouring of holy spirit (Sivan corresponds to part of May and part of June)

36 C.E. Cornelius becomes a Christian

circa 47-48 C.E. Paul’s first preaching tour

circa 49-52 C.E. Paul’s second preaching tour

circa 52-56 C.E. Paul’s third preaching tour

circa 60-61 C.E. Paul writes letters while imprisoned in Rome

before 62 C.E. Jesus’ half brother James writes his letter

66 C.E. Jews revolt against Rome

70 C.E. Jerusalem and its temple destroyed by the Romans

circa 96 C.E. John writes Revelation

circa 100 C.E. Death of John, the last of the apostles

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102009479
 
Elvira said:
Timeline
“In the beginning . . .”

4026 B.C.E. Adam’s creation

3096 B.C.E. Death of Adam

2370 B.C.E. Floodwaters fall

2018 B.C.E. Abraham born

1943 B.C.E. Abrahamic covenant

1750 B.C.E. Joseph sold as a slave

before 1613 B.C.E. Job’s trial

1513 B.C.E. Exodus from Egypt

1473 B.C.E. Israel enters Canaan under Joshua

1467 B.C.E. Major conquest of Canaan completed

1117 B.C.E. Saul anointed as king

1070 B.C.E. God makes Kingdom promise to David

1037 B.C.E. Solomon becomes king

1027 B.C.E. Temple in Jerusalem completed

circa 1020 B.C.E. Song of Solomon completed

997 B.C.E. Israel is divided into two kingdoms

circa 717 B.C.E. Compiling of Proverbs completed

607 B.C.E. Jerusalem destroyed; exile in Babylon begins

539 B.C.E. Babylon falls to the conqueror Cyrus

537 B.C.E. Jewish exiles return to Jerusalem

455 B.C.E. Jerusalem’s walls rebuilt; 69 weeks of years begin

After 443 B.C.E. Malachi completes his prophetic book

circa 2 B.C.E. Birth of Jesus

29 C.E. Jesus is baptized and begins to preach about God’s Kingdom

31 C.E. Jesus chooses his 12 apostles; delivers Sermon on the Mount

32 C.E. Jesus resurrects Lazarus

Nisan 14, 33 C.E. Jesus is impaled (Nisan corresponds to part of March and part of April)

Nisan 16, 33 C.E. Jesus is resurrected

Sivan 6, 33 C.E. Pentecost; outpouring of holy spirit (Sivan corresponds to part of May and part of June)

36 C.E. Cornelius becomes a Christian

circa 47-48 C.E. Paul’s first preaching tour

circa 49-52 C.E. Paul’s second preaching tour

circa 52-56 C.E. Paul’s third preaching tour

circa 60-61 C.E. Paul writes letters while imprisoned in Rome

before 62 C.E. Jesus’ half brother James writes his letter

66 C.E. Jews revolt against Rome

70 C.E. Jerusalem and its temple destroyed by the Romans

circa 96 C.E. John writes Revelation

circa 100 C.E. Death of John, the last of the apostles

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102009479
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Well, we got fossils of modern humans up to 200,000 years ago. I guess that time line is not correct.
 
ataraxia said:
Is there a difference between a rutabaga in the brain and a unicorn in the brain?
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No, neither physically reside in the physical brain. They both reside physically on planet earth today.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unicorn

1 b : an animal mentioned in the Bible that is usually considered an aurochs, a one-horned rhinoceros, or an antelope

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rutabaga

: a turnip (Brassica napus napobrassica) that usually produces a large yellowish root that is eaten as a vegetable; also : the root

Sorry, but you are mistaken that the following mythical animal is the unicorn mentioned in the Bible.

1 a : a mythical, usually white animal generally depicted with the body and head of a horse with long flowing mane and tail and a single often spiraled horn in the middle of the forehead.

Roseann:)
 
devildavid said:
Think of a concept, any concept. When you do, it will be in your brain. If you don't know what thinking with your brain is, I'm not sure how you are able to post here

I already gave sufficient instructions to find a rutabaga.
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I get it, you are only capable of giving me sufficient instructions on how to find the simplistic task of finding a physical rutabaga.

But, you seem to be incapable of giving me sufficient instructions concerning my previous questions.

Once again you have perfectly absolved yourself from any responsibility of providing instructions on how I can find concepts physically residing in the brain ( which was you claim) and have passed that task unto me once again to help you prove your claim combined with your insult which bears repeating devildavid QUOTE: "If you don't know what thinking with your brain is, I'm not sure how you are able to post here"

Based on the fact that I am posting here, how can you not be sure that I am able to post here? I have no problem thinking.

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
No, neither physically reside in the physical brain. They both reside physically on planet earth today.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unicorn

1 b : an animal mentioned in the Bible that is usually considered an aurochs, a one-horned rhinoceros, or an antelope

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rutabaga

: a turnip (Brassica napus napobrassica) that usually produces a large yellowish root that is eaten as a vegetable; also : the root

Sorry, but you are mistaken that the following mythical animal is the unicorn mentioned in the Bible.

1 a : a mythical, usually white animal generally depicted with the body and head of a horse with long flowing mane and tail and a single often spiraled horn in the middle of the forehead.

Roseann:)
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Yet, the concept of what a 'unicorn' is resides within the brain. The object might exist physically, but it's classification and labeling is conceptual in nature.
 
Elvira said:
There is no trying to it...and it is not a story, it is truth...the same God Abel served, I serve as well...along with Moses, David, Isaiah, Daniel, Malachi, and 1st century Christians...oh, and let's not forget the faithful sisters...Ruth, Naomi, Rahab, Sarah, Abigail...we all serve the same God...
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That’s fine. But the stories are clearly coming from other sources as one culture got exposed to another. They’re not coming from out of the sky. There is a long story to these stories. And they are very this-worldly ones.

Somehow all these people you name above did not know about heaven and hell as eternal punishment or reward until they were exposed to The Zoroastrians.
 
RAMOSS said:
Yet, the concept of what a 'unicorn' is resides within the brain. The object might exist physically, but it's classification and labeling is conceptual in nature.
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So just because something resides in the brain, does it mean that it exists in the real world? Is there a way to try to distinguish?
 
Elvira said:
Oh, and you are wrong about that, too...there are scriptures in the Hebrew writings that prove you are wrong...faithful servants of old most certainly believed in the resurrection/hope of everlasting life...so much so that they wrote about it...

"Jehovah kills, and he preserves life;
He brings down to the Grave, and he raises up" 1 Sam. 2:6


"He will swallow up death forever,
And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will wipe away the tears from all faces.
The reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth,
For Jehovah himself has spoken it." Isaiah 25:8

“Your dead will live.
My corpses* will rise up.
Awake and shout joyfully,
You residents in the dust!
For your dew is as the dew of the morning,
And the earth will let those powerless in death come to life." Isaiah 26:19

"From the power of the Grave I will redeem them;
From death I will recover them.
Where are your stings, O Death?
Where is your destructiveness, O Grave?
Compassion will be concealed from my eyes." Hosea 13:14

They also understood there were everlasting consequences to their bad behavior...Gen 2:17; Gen 3:17-19
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Bad consequences in an afterlife? Not really. Also, concepts of the apocalypse and the end days we’re not very well developed
 
CharisRose said:
I get it, you are only capable of giving me sufficient instructions on how to find the simplistic task of finding a physical rutabaga.

But, you seem to be incapable of giving me sufficient instructions concerning my previous questions.

Once again you have perfectly absolved yourself from any responsibility of providing instructions on how I can find concepts physically residing in the brain ( which was you claim) and have passed that task unto me once again to help you prove your claim combined with your insult which bears repeating devildavid QUOTE: "If you don't know what thinking with your brain is, I'm not sure how you are able to post here"

Based on the fact that I am posting here, how can you not be sure that I am able to post here? I have no problem thinking.

Roseann:)
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If you have no problem thinking it means your physical brain is functioning and contains physical thoughts.
 
CharisRose said:
No, neither physically reside in the physical brain. They both reside physically on planet earth today.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unicorn

1 b : an animal mentioned in the Bible that is usually considered an aurochs, a one-horned rhinoceros, or an antelope

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rutabaga

: a turnip (Brassica napus napobrassica) that usually produces a large yellowish root that is eaten as a vegetable; also : the root

Sorry, but you are mistaken that the following mythical animal is the unicorn mentioned in the Bible.

1 a : a mythical, usually white animal generally depicted with the body and head of a horse with long flowing mane and tail and a single often spiraled horn in the middle of the forehead.

Roseann:)
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What does mythical mean?
 
Elvira said:
Timeline
“In the beginning . . .”

4026 B.C.E. Adam’s creation

3096 B.C.E. Death of Adam

2370 B.C.E. Floodwaters fall

2018 B.C.E. Abraham born

1943 B.C.E. Abrahamic covenant

1750 B.C.E. Joseph sold as a slave

before 1613 B.C.E. Job’s trial

1513 B.C.E. Exodus from Egypt

1473 B.C.E. Israel enters Canaan under Joshua

1467 B.C.E. Major conquest of Canaan completed

1117 B.C.E. Saul anointed as king

1070 B.C.E. God makes Kingdom promise to David

1037 B.C.E. Solomon becomes king

1027 B.C.E. Temple in Jerusalem completed

circa 1020 B.C.E. Song of Solomon completed

997 B.C.E. Israel is divided into two kingdoms

circa 717 B.C.E. Compiling of Proverbs completed

607 B.C.E. Jerusalem destroyed; exile in Babylon begins

539 B.C.E. Babylon falls to the conqueror Cyrus

537 B.C.E. Jewish exiles return to Jerusalem

455 B.C.E. Jerusalem’s walls rebuilt; 69 weeks of years begin

After 443 B.C.E. Malachi completes his prophetic book

circa 2 B.C.E. Birth of Jesus

29 C.E. Jesus is baptized and begins to preach about God’s Kingdom

31 C.E. Jesus chooses his 12 apostles; delivers Sermon on the Mount

32 C.E. Jesus resurrects Lazarus

Nisan 14, 33 C.E. Jesus is impaled (Nisan corresponds to part of March and part of April)

Nisan 16, 33 C.E. Jesus is resurrected

Sivan 6, 33 C.E. Pentecost; outpouring of holy spirit (Sivan corresponds to part of May and part of June)

36 C.E. Cornelius becomes a Christian

circa 47-48 C.E. Paul’s first preaching tour

circa 49-52 C.E. Paul’s second preaching tour

circa 52-56 C.E. Paul’s third preaching tour

circa 60-61 C.E. Paul writes letters while imprisoned in Rome

before 62 C.E. Jesus’ half brother James writes his letter

66 C.E. Jews revolt against Rome

70 C.E. Jerusalem and its temple destroyed by the Romans

circa 96 C.E. John writes Revelation

circa 100 C.E. Death of John, the last of the apostles

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102009479
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This is entire timeline is wrong.

Was Adam the first JW? If so, what happened in the US in the 1870's?
 
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