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Why should kafir "science" be allowed to be taught as fact in schools?

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Much of Western kafir "science", aside from contradicting what is objectively true per divine relevalation, has merely been appropriated from other cultures and distorted to serve the interests of decadent kafir nations.

Most of the numeric system used in kafir states was of course appropriated from Islamic nations, and their modern science would not have been possible without it.

Therefore, I see no reason that children, particularly those of Muslim or other spiritual heritages - should be forced to learn distorted kafir interpretations of science in public schooling in the US and Europe.

Science, which flourished in the Muslim world during the Middle Ages, while decadent Europe was stuck in the dark age - should be reclaimed by Muslims and the spiritually aware, rather than allowed to remain in the hands of the kafir to further serve Western degeneracy and materialism.
 
Islam scholar said:
Much of Western kafir "science", aside from contradicting what is objectively true per divine relevalation, has merely been appropriated from other cultures and distorted to serve the interests of decadent kafir nations.

Most of the numeric system used in kafir states was of course appropriated from Islamic nations, and their modern science would not have been possible without it.

Therefore, I see no reason that children, particularly those of Muslim or other spiritual heritages - should be forced to learn distorted kafir interpretations of science in public schooling in the US and Europe.

Science, which flourished in the Muslim world during the Middle Ages, while decadent Europe was stuck in the dark age - should be reclaimed by Muslims and the spiritually aware, rather than allowed to remain in the hands of the kafir to further serve their degeneracy and crass materialism.
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I have a tough time imagining this is not a troll post. But just for fun, I'll play:

If true, then could you ask the Iranians and Pakistanis to give up their nuclear ambitions, and all those other Muslim countries to stop buying Kafir weapons and technologies? Just go back to fighting with your swords. Oh and stop sending all those students here. I think the world would suddenly become a much more peaceful place.
 
Islam scholar said:
Much of Western kafir "science", aside from contradicting what is objectively true per divine relevalation, has merely been appropriated from other cultures and distorted to serve the interests of decadent kafir nations.

Most of the numeric system used in kafir states was of course appropriated from Islamic nations, and their modern science would not have been possible without it.

Therefore, I see no reason that children, particularly those of Muslim or other spiritual heritages - should be forced to learn distorted kafir interpretations of science in public schooling in the US and Europe.

Science, which flourished in the Muslim world during the Middle Ages, while decadent Europe was stuck in the dark age - should be reclaimed by Muslims and the spiritually aware, rather than allowed to remain in the hands of the kafir to further serve Western degeneracy and materialism.
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I'm thinking that there's a new wave of Muslims just waiting to break out of the dark ages. A good example of that is the new head prince of Saudi Arabia.
 
ataraxia said:
I have a tough time imagining this is not a troll post. But just for fun, I'll play:

If true, then could you ask the Iranians and Pakistanis to give up their nuclear ambitions, and all those other Muslim countries to stop buying Kafir weapons and technologies? Just go back to fighting with your swords. Oh and stop sending all those students here. I think the world would suddenly become a much more peaceful place.
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The point is that much of Western science was appropriated from other cultures, but corrupted in the service of their own racist, or imperialist ambitions. West wants to claim "science" as its own after having appropriated it from others.
 
Islam scholar said:
Much of Western kafir "science", aside from contradicting what is objectively true per divine relevalation, has merely been appropriated from other cultures and distorted to serve the interests of decadent kafir nations.

Most of the numeric system used in kafir states was of course appropriated from Islamic nations, and their modern science would not have been possible without it.

Therefore, I see no reason that children, particularly those of Muslim or other spiritual heritages - should be forced to learn distorted kafir interpretations of science in public schooling in the US and Europe.

Science, which flourished in the Muslim world during the Middle Ages, while decadent Europe was stuck in the dark age - should be reclaimed by Muslims and the spiritually aware, rather than allowed to remain in the hands of the kafir to further serve Western degeneracy and materialism.
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Be my guest. You guys and the fundamentalist Christians can lock yourselves in a room and argue amongst yourselves as to whether the world is 6,000 or 10,0000 years or whether dinosaurs actually existed or whatever other things you all argue about. The rest of the world will continue to build on the basic building blocks in mathematics and science that the Islamic world provided us with (thank you for that btw) and advance human knowledge.
 
Islam scholar said:
The point is that much of Western science was appropriated from other cultures, but corrupted in the service of their own racist, or imperialist ambitions. West wants to claim "science" as its own after having appropriated it from others.
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So which is it that bugs you: that western science is built on science from others (that's how all science works, after all), or that, as you say in your opening post, it contradicts "what is objectively true per divine relevalation"?

Don't forget: Muslims got most of the foundations of their science from the Greeks. Do you know where the Arabic word "al-falsafah" comes from? Yup, the Greek word is "philosophy".
 
Gaius46 said:
Be my guest. You guys and the fundamentalist Christians can lock yourselves in a room and argue amongst yourselves as to whether the world is 6,000 or 10,0000 years or whether dinosaurs actually existed or whatever other things you all argue about. The rest of the world will continue to build on the basic building blocks in mathematics and science that the Islamic world provided us with (thank you for that btw) and advance human knowledge.
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That is false, for most of history science and religion were not seen in conflict, this is a recent construct of secular nations which have distorted science to serve their capitalistic interests.
 
Islam scholar said:
Much of Western kafir "science", aside from contradicting what is objectively true per divine relevalation, has merely been appropriated from other cultures and distorted to serve the interests of decadent kafir nations.

Most of the numeric system used in kafir states was of course appropriated from Islamic nations, and their modern science would not have been possible without it.
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"Arabic" numerals are actually derived from the Hindu number system, it's only called Arabic numerals because it spread to Europe from India via Arabia.

Therefore, I see no reason that children, particularly those of Muslim or other spiritual heritages - should be forced to learn distorted kafir interpretations of science in public schooling in the US and Europe.

Science, which flourished in the Muslim world during the Middle Ages, while decadent Europe was stuck in the dark age - should be reclaimed by Muslims and the spiritually aware, rather than allowed to remain in the hands of the kafir to further serve Western degeneracy and materialism.
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I completely agree. Holy Muslim nations and pious Muslims should reject kafir science and its fruits. Such as computers and the internet.
 
Islam scholar said:
That is false, for most of history science and religion were not seen in conflict, this is a recent construct of secular nations which have distorted science to serve their capitalistic interests.
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No, it happened after Galileo showed that the Church had been wrong to teach that the Earth is the center of the universe for over 16 centuries. And they had been doing it using convincing passages from scripture ("Thou has fixed the Earth immovable in the sky" -Psalms). It was the first time that a definitive religious teaching was shown to be definitively wrong.

We figured out eventually that religion is just a reflection of the latest knowledge and values of a society. Religion comes from society. It's a mirror, not a guide. If you want to move ahead, whether socially, or scientifically, or technologically, you would stop staring at your own picture from milllenia ago, and learn to create your own future. You can then let the religious try to figure out ways to "properly interpret" and endlessly reinterpret their ancient scriptures of ancient desert nomads to have it reflect all the new knowledge and values you are busy creating.
 
Islam scholar said:
Much of Western kafir "science", aside from contradicting what is objectively true per divine relevalation, has merely been appropriated from other cultures and distorted to serve the interests of decadent kafir nations.

Most of the numeric system used in kafir states was of course appropriated from Islamic nations, and their modern science would not have been possible without it.

Therefore, I see no reason that children, particularly those of Muslim or other spiritual heritages - should be forced to learn distorted kafir interpretations of science in public schooling in the US and Europe.

Science, which flourished in the Muslim world during the Middle Ages, while decadent Europe was stuck in the dark age - should be reclaimed by Muslims and the spiritually aware, rather than allowed to remain in the hands of the kafir to further serve Western degeneracy and materialism.
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No muslims students are forced to study anything. Homeschool your kids
 
Islam scholar said:
That is false, for most of history science and religion were not seen in conflict, this is a recent construct of secular nations which have distorted science to serve their capitalistic interests.
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You've said that twice or maybe three times now. That secular nations have "distorted" science. How so?

Science and religion were not seen to be in conflict because we lived in what were essentially theocracies. Science withered during those years.
 
Islam scholar said:
That is false, for most of history science and religion were not seen in conflict, this is a recent construct of secular nations which have distorted science to serve their capitalistic interests.
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Until, of course, the scientific method came up with facts that directly disagreed with the various religious creation myths. You will find people who will modifiy translations to try to retrofit modern knowledge into the ancient writings though, but that's not honest.
 
Islam scholar said:
Much of Western kafir "science", aside from contradicting what is objectively true per divine relevalation, has merely been appropriated from other cultures and distorted to serve the interests of decadent kafir nations.

Most of the numeric system used in kafir states was of course appropriated from Islamic nations, and their modern science would not have been possible without it.

Therefore, I see no reason that children, particularly those of Muslim or other spiritual heritages - should be forced to learn distorted kafir interpretations of science in public schooling in the US and Europe.

Science, which flourished in the Muslim world during the Middle Ages, while decadent Europe was stuck in the dark age - should be reclaimed by Muslims and the spiritually aware, rather than allowed to remain in the hands of the kafir to further serve Western degeneracy and materialism.
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You'd best get busy then. You have a lot of ground to make up. When you can figure out how to cure a few diseases, provide your own energy without outside help, build cars, distribute electricity, develop refrigeration and so on, you'll be where we were about 100 years ago. I've noticed all of the above "materialist and degenerate" things being employed in Muslim countries, and I've also noticed that none of it is built in those Muslim countries. Good luck.
 
RAMOSS said:
Until, of course, the scientific method came up with facts that directly disagreed with the various religious creation myths. You will find people who will modifiy translations to try to retrofit modern knowledge into the ancient writings though, but that's not honest.
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Untrue, most "modern" science was merely appropriation of what various religious thinkers had observed long ago.

The "big bang theory", for example, is merely an appropriation of the pagan Greek creation myth of chaos, dressed up in modern scientific jargon - used to promote pagan heresies under the guise of "science".

The Big Bang Is Hard Science. It Is Also a Creation Story. - Issue 17: Big Bangs - Nautilus
 
There are some really strange people on this site these days......
 
Islam scholar said:
The point is that much of Western science was appropriated from other cultures, but corrupted in the service of their own racist, or imperialist ambitions. West wants to claim "science" as its own after having appropriated it from others.
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And I'm pointing out that a kafir invented the scientific device you are using at this very moment.

Everything was appropriated from everything else, and everyone else. And for the record, your current clerics are a long long way from the islamic science scholars of old, and by the way, it wasn't actually APPROPRIATION going on, it was islamic science scholars running around GIFTING what they'd learned to the rest of the world.

I'm also going to point out ONE TIME that the word "kafir" is to Westerners (particularly Christians) what "nigger" is to black people.
Has anyone been running around this board calling you a towelhead goat-****er?
No? Then stop calling us kafirs. Again, I'll ask you politely ONE time to stop using that word.

Islam scholar said:
Science, which flourished in the Muslim world during the Middle Ages, while decadent Europe was stuck in the dark age - should be reclaimed by Muslims and the spiritually aware, rather than allowed to remain in the hands of the kafir to further serve Western degeneracy and materialism.
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You'd have to go back TO the Middle Ages first because THIS is what the House of Saud passes off as science today:

Saudi Cleric Says the Sun Rotates Around the Earth



Finally, there isn't a damn thing you're going to do about it either, where "allowing it to remain" is concerned.
It belongs to the world now, you don't have a time machine, and you don't have the science background to do anything about it either.
If you did, you'd be making yourself useful to the world instead of screeching about how much you hate it.
The world thanks you ancestors, but you didn't do a damn thing worth noting.

What's your next option?
 
Removable Mind said:
I'm thinking that there's a new wave of Muslims just waiting to break out of the dark ages. A good example of that is the new head prince of Saudi Arabia.
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This fool should be thanking Salman. He's probably the smartest mind to ever grace the throne, at least so far.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
And I'm pointing out that a kafir invented the scientific device you are using at this very moment.

Everything was appropriated from everything else, and everyone else. And for the record, your current clerics are a long long way from the islamic science scholars of old, and by the way, it wasn't actually APPROPRIATION going on, it was islamic science scholars running around GIFTING what they'd learned to the rest of the world.

I'm also going to point out ONE TIME that the word "kafir" is to Westerners (particularly Christians) what "nigger" is to black people.
Has anyone been running around this board calling you a towelhead goat-****er?
No? Then stop calling us kafirs. Again, I'll ask you politely ONE time to stop using that word.



You'd have to go back TO the Middle Ages first because THIS is what the House of Saud passes off as science today:

Saudi Cleric Says the Sun Rotates Around the Earth



Finally, there isn't a damn thing you're going to do about it either, where "allowing it to remain" is concerned.
It belongs to the world now, you don't have a time machine, and you don't have the science background to do anything about it either.
If you did, you'd be making yourself useful to the world instead of screeching about how much you hate it.
The world thanks you ancestors, but you didn't do a damn thing worth noting.

What's your next option?
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LOL That video is laughable....and sad.
 
Islam scholar said:
Much of Western kafir "science", aside from contradicting what is objectively true per divine relevalation, has merely been appropriated from other cultures and distorted to serve the interests of decadent kafir nations.

Most of the numeric system used in kafir states was of course appropriated from Islamic nations, and their modern science would not have been possible without it.

Therefore, I see no reason that children, particularly those of Muslim or other spiritual heritages - should be forced to learn distorted kafir interpretations of science in public schooling in the US and Europe.

Science, which flourished in the Muslim world during the Middle Ages, while decadent Europe was stuck in the dark age - should be reclaimed by Muslims and the spiritually aware, rather than allowed to remain in the hands of the kafir to further serve Western degeneracy and materialism.
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What a terrible feeling it must be to know that the rest of the worlds civilizations and nations evolved and moved on ahead of you; leaving you to flounder in the past under such a primitive belief system. :(

We still have that problem here in the west as well.....certain belief systems that still maintain the world is only a few thousand years old, or the world is flat.

How sad for them and you.

Fortunately, we seem to do a fairly good job ( though not perfect) preventing them from turn their religion into our politics and forcing us to live under a Theocracy.

Now thats primitive.
 
Contrast this guy with the folks I see down at the corner store every single morning.
Smart, witty, confident, kind and definitely well educated.
That's the reason why about a third of them only stick around working at the store for a few weeks or a couple of months.
Once they get their bearings, they plug in and off they go into the big city.

Did I mention in the other thread that the family, even though Coptic, DOES hire Muslims as well?
Naturally some idiot like THIS guy strolls in, they wouldn't give him the time of day because he'd probably accuse them of
"appropriating the job that a kafir does not deserve". Don't forget, even Egyptian Coptics are also kafirs.
 
devildavid said:
Nobody owns science.
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I've always said that and the same goes for art, music, literature, architecture, even FASHION.
Nothing more annoying than some whiner running around whining about "cultural appropriation".
Cram it, clown...nature does not tolerate purity.
Everything in the entire universe came from the interior of a STAR.
 
Islam scholar said:
Much of Western kafir "science", aside from contradicting what is objectively true per divine relevalation, has merely been appropriated from other cultures and distorted to serve the interests of decadent kafir nations.

Most of the numeric system used in kafir states was of course appropriated from Islamic nations, and their modern science would not have been possible without it.

Therefore, I see no reason that children, particularly those of Muslim or other spiritual heritages - should be forced to learn distorted kafir interpretations of science in public schooling in the US and Europe.

Science, which flourished in the Muslim world during the Middle Ages, while decadent Europe was stuck in the dark age - should be reclaimed by Muslims and the spiritually aware, rather than allowed to remain in the hands of the kafir to further serve Western degeneracy and materialism.
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Troll.
 
Islam scholar said:
The point is that much of Western science was appropriated from other cultures, but corrupted in the service of their own racist, or imperialist ambitions. West wants to claim "science" as its own after having appropriated it from others.
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Your lot stole quite a bit from the Hindus.
 
Islam scholar said:
Much of Western kafir "science", aside from contradicting what is objectively true per divine relevalation, has merely been appropriated from other cultures and distorted to serve the interests of decadent kafir nations.

Most of the numeric system used in kafir states was of course appropriated from Islamic nations, and their modern science would not have been possible without it.

Therefore, I see no reason that children, particularly those of Muslim or other spiritual heritages - should be forced to learn distorted kafir interpretations of science in public schooling in the US and Europe.

Science, which flourished in the Muslim world during the Middle Ages, while decadent Europe was stuck in the dark age - should be reclaimed by Muslims and the spiritually aware, rather than allowed to remain in the hands of the kafir to further serve Western degeneracy and materialism.
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Is there a reason why Muslim children need to be raised in countries where their needs are not being properly met? Were their parents unaware of the laws and schools and systems before they moved there?
 
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