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Prophecies about Pakistan, Middle East and Rise of Islam - Muhammad Qasim Bin AbdulKarim

Logicman said:
I don't believe the Quran was divinely inspired for a minute. For one thing it doesn't even know that Jesus is divine and resurrected.
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Logicman said:
The Triune God is seen in the first-century Gospel and Epistle accounts. It was there from the very beginning. You say it came later, then tell me when and prove it.

In addition, Jesus spoke about people being baptized in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (Matthew chapter 28). That's your Trinity.

You folks claim Jesus is a prophet. Then why didn't you believe Jesus when he claimed to be God (John 8:58, etc.), and the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER (John 14:6)?

Your sophomoric claims above demonstrate that you have a highly inaccurate understanding of the Bible, Jesus, the resurrection, and other issues.

Jesus is Lord God and Resurrected Savior.
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Esa (As) ... The revelation which he received was later, recorded by authors other than Mark, Matthew and Luke and these books were written after The Fall.of Jerusalem, after 70 A. D. And there are other evidences which exists to prove my point. Ever wondered why The Romans who were hell-bent on executing The Christians and eliminating every bit of their faith has suddenly, began to adopt it, and on the process they tried their best to exclude all the other "versions" of The Gospels which seemed "inauthentic" to them by The Council of Nycea and yet, there are many verses in these four canonical books which contradict one another amd the translators themselves, whilst after having The Gospels translated into English has said that, asper their research and studies regarding the validity of each of these verses, that 82% of the sayings of Jesus (PBUH) were not from him. Moreover, in The NT, it is said that those who has believed in The Christ shall enter Paradise because Christ has taken all of their sins upon himself. So, you can commit adultery, murder, robbery and many inviolable acts and get away with it. Where is the element of justice ? If these revelations were to be in a preserved state then, the element of justice would have surely.be founded and in addition to this, many of the verses contradicts each other. And even The Old Testament contradicts it.
 
Logicman said:
The Triune God is seen in the first-century Gospel and Epistle accounts. It was there from the very beginning. You say it came later, then tell me when and prove it.

In addition, Jesus spoke about people being baptized in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (Matthew chapter 28). That's your Trinity.

You folks claim Jesus is a prophet. Then why didn't you believe Jesus when he claimed to be God (John 8:58, etc.), and the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER (John 14:6)?

Your sophomoric claims above demonstrate that you have a highly inaccurate understanding of the Bible, Jesus, the resurrection, and other issues.

Jesus is Lord God and Resurrected Savior.
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Jesus (Pbuh) is free from.what is stated in your books..He never said such abominable things, and you'll soon see that for yourself.
 
AbuJafar1422 said:
Esa (As) ... The revelation which he received was later, recorded by authors other than Mark, Matthew and Luke and these books were written after The Fall.of Jerusalem, after 70 A. D. And there are other evidences which exists to prove my point. Ever wondered why The Romans who were hell-bent on executing The Christians and eliminating every bit of their faith has suddenly, began to adopt it, and on the process they tried their best to exclude all the other "versions" of The Gospels which seemed "inauthentic" to them by The Council of Nycea and yet, there are many verses in these four canonical books which contradict one another amd the translators themselves, whilst after having The Gospels translated into English has said that, asper their research and studies regarding the validity of each of these verses, that 82% of the sayings of Jesus (PBUH) were not from him. Moreover, in The NT, it is said that those who has believed in The Christ shall enter Paradise because Christ has taken all of their sins upon himself. So, you can commit adultery, murder, robbery and many inviolable acts and get away with it. Where is the element of justice ? If these revelations were to be in a preserved state then, the element of justice would have surely.be founded and in addition to this, many of the verses contradicts each other. And even The Old Testament contradicts it.
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We can this about many books that are written proclaiming the One True Revelation, however, these are just "beliefs" and a belief is nothing more than a concept that the mind is attached to. They are only true to the one that believes they are true, and therefore, only reside within the mind of the believer. These beliefs may be shared by many people, but it does not make them the "Truth" for they are still just beliefs.

Each person harbors their own beliefs, for it resides within their unique mind and therefore it is just as valid as any other persons no matter how contradictory they may be.
 
AbuJafar1422 said:
Esa (As) ... The revelation which he received was later, recorded by authors other than Mark, Matthew and Luke and these books were written after The Fall.of Jerusalem, after 70 A. D.
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Incorrect. Mark had an earlier authorship date, according to scholars. Various early church fathers also confirmed the traditional Gospel authors.

AbuJafar1422 said:
Moreover, in The NT, it is said that those who has believed in The Christ shall enter Paradise because Christ has taken all of their sins upon himself. So, you can commit adultery, murder, robbery and many inviolable acts and get away with it. Where is the element of justice ?
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Well first, people have to repent and turn from their sins, and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior for the remission of their sins.

Second, justice was served on Jesus at Calvary. Plus, believers who are saved will likely lose a number of heavenly rewards in the afterlife.

Finally, entrance into heaven in Islam is based on WORKS. So tell me, exactly what kind of good works must you perform to satisfy Allah? And exactly HOW MANY good works are required? Do you know? Christians are saved the moment they repent and receive Jesus. Seems to me Quran Muslims must be pacing their kitchen floors at 3 AM isweating out and worrying about whether they've done the right kind of works, and in sufficient number, to avoid dropping down into Hell. Do you even know if you're saved yet?

Excerpt from article below:

"The classic Christian doctrine of hell receives a most interesting treatment in the Quran, providing a number of fanciful particulars and whimsical embellishments. On the Day of Judgment, unbelievers will be “dragged into the Fire upon their faces” (Surah 54:48) “by their scalps” (Surah 70:16, Dawood, Sale, and Rodwell translations). Their faces will be “blackened” (Surah 39:60). They will have manacles, chains, and yokes placed upon them (Surah 34:33; 40:71; 76:4). One surah even declares that the wife of Abu Lahab (one of Muhammad’s bitter opponents) “will have upon her neck a halter of palm-fibre” (Surah 111:5)—apparently fireproof palm fiber.

According to the Quran, hell is a place of raging, fiercely blazing fire (Surah 73:12; 92:14; 101:11) with leaping, piercing, burning flames (Surah 4:10; 17:97; 25:11; 37:10; 48:13; 77:30-31; 85:10; 104:6-7), in which people “neither die nor live” (Surah 87:12-13). In addition to flames, hell also contains scorching winds, black smoke (Surah 56:42-43), and boiling hot water through which the disbelievers will be dragged (Surah 40:71-72; 55:44). In fact, unbelievers will both drink and be drenched with boiling water:"

Hell and the Quran

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=8&article=1177
 
Logicman said:
Incorrect. Mark had an earlier authorship date, according to scholars. Various early church fathers also confirmed the traditional Gospel authors.



Well first, people have to repent and turn from their sins, and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior for the remission of their sins.

Second, justice was served on Jesus at Calvary. Plus, believers who are saved will likely lose a number of heavenly rewards in the afterlife.

Finally, entrance into heaven in Islam is based on WORKS. So tell me, exactly what kind of good works must you perform to satisfy Allah? And exactly HOW MANY good works are required? Do you know? Christians are saved the moment they repent and receive Jesus. Seems to me Quran Muslims must be pacing their kitchen floors at 3 AM isweating out and worrying about whether they've done the right kind of works, and in sufficient number, to avoid dropping down into Hell. Do you even know if you're saved yet?

Excerpt from article below:

"The classic Christian doctrine of hell receives a most interesting treatment in the Quran, providing a number of fanciful particulars and whimsical embellishments. On the Day of Judgment, unbelievers will be “dragged into the Fire upon their faces” (Surah 54:48) “by their scalps” (Surah 70:16, Dawood, Sale, and Rodwell translations). Their faces will be “blackened” (Surah 39:60). They will have manacles, chains, and yokes placed upon them (Surah 34:33; 40:71; 76:4). One surah even declares that the wife of Abu Lahab (one of Muhammad’s bitter opponents) “will have upon her neck a halter of palm-fibre” (Surah 111:5)—apparently fireproof palm fiber.

According to the Quran, hell is a place of raging, fiercely blazing fire (Surah 73:12; 92:14; 101:11) with leaping, piercing, burning flames (Surah 4:10; 17:97; 25:11; 37:10; 48:13; 77:30-31; 85:10; 104:6-7), in which people “neither die nor live” (Surah 87:12-13). In addition to flames, hell also contains scorching winds, black smoke (Surah 56:42-43), and boiling hot water through which the disbelievers will be dragged (Surah 40:71-72; 55:44). In fact, unbelievers will both drink and be drenched with boiling water:"

Hell and the Quran

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=8&article=1177
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Nowhere in The Quran or in The Authentic Reports is it stated that the believers will enter Paradise through their noble deeds rather it has been stated that every single individual including the might messengers of Allah (Pbut) will enter heaven through His Mercy as their ibadah (worship and servitude) are still not sufficient enough to repay His Favours. Allah will be merciful and compassionate with them as they were grateful and fought against their whims and desires out of their fear for Him, and in addition to that, they tried to live by His Laws.
And as for the disbelievers, they shall face a consequence which will undoubtedly be fair, for they rejected The One, who provides for them, clothes them, looks after them and bestows His Innumerable Favours upon them and yet, they reject Him. You may ask how are us, humans supposed to know that He exists unless, He sends A Divine Message or A Divine Sign to us ? Just look at the earth, and the perfect system which operates in if in order to serve us. How can such a perfect ecosystem be created just by merely the random clash of two gigantic rocks ? Even the scientists are astonished by this ! It is evident that Someone has caused this big bang just in order, for this creation to come into existence. + He had also sent messengers after messengers, each confirming the message of the other and foretelling the coming the his successors to establish The Oneness of God in this earth and they were also supported by Divine Signs and Miracles, which are convincing enough to prove that they were not sent by any other except, by The Lord Most High.
 
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Logicman said:
Incorrect. Mark had an earlier authorship date, according to scholars. Various early church fathers also confirmed the traditional Gospel authors.



Well first, people have to repent and turn from their sins, and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior for the remission of their sins.

Second, justice was served on Jesus at Calvary. Plus, believers who are saved will likely lose a number of heavenly rewards in the afterlife.

Finally, entrance into heaven in Islam is based on WORKS. So tell me, exactly what kind of good works must you perform to satisfy Allah? And exactly HOW MANY good works are required? Do you know? Christians are saved the moment they repent and receive Jesus. Seems to me Quran Muslims must be pacing their kitchen floors at 3 AM isweating out and worrying about whether they've done the right kind of works, and in sufficient number, to avoid dropping down into Hell. Do you even know if you're saved yet?

Excerpt from article below:

"The classic Christian doctrine of hell receives a most interesting treatment in the Quran, providing a number of fanciful particulars and whimsical embellishments. On the Day of Judgment, unbelievers will be “dragged into the Fire upon their faces” (Surah 54:48) “by their scalps” (Surah 70:16, Dawood, Sale, and Rodwell translations). Their faces will be “blackened” (Surah 39:60). They will have manacles, chains, and yokes placed upon them (Surah 34:33; 40:71; 76:4). One surah even declares that the wife of Abu Lahab (one of Muhammad’s bitter opponents) “will have upon her neck a halter of palm-fibre” (Surah 111:5)—apparently fireproof palm fiber.

According to the Quran, hell is a place of raging, fiercely blazing fire (Surah 73:12; 92:14; 101:11) with leaping, piercing, burning flames (Surah 4:10; 17:97; 25:11; 37:10; 48:13; 77:30-31; 85:10; 104:6-7), in which people “neither die nor live” (Surah 87:12-13). In addition to flames, hell also contains scorching winds, black smoke (Surah 56:42-43), and boiling hot water through which the disbelievers will be dragged (Surah 40:71-72; 55:44). In fact, unbelievers will both drink and be drenched with boiling water:"

Hell and the Quran

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=8&article=1177
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And God promised us that He will forgive us whenever we will repent to Him provided that, we sincerely seek His Forgiveness and give our word or make a commitment that, we will not engage in such acts again but, the repentance must be done before being overtaken by death. And performing righteous deeds like looking after widows and orphans, Glorifying your Lord morning and evening and such others acts, will also eliminate your sins.
 
Elvira said:
Atheism cheapens everything it touches-look at the results of communism, the most powerful form of atheism on earth. ~ Peter Kreeft
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Communism is not a form of atheism. Atheism is not an ideology; communism is.
 
WCH said:
Pakistan defeating the US and Russia....you must be dreaming.
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I guess it could be done in a sense of like the USA loosing to Vietnam
 
True Dreams said:
Pity on the state of the intellect of the humans this era, they just want to dismiss the religions and truth just on the basis of few comments on a thread and that too when none of the comments is against the existence of God. This thread is about the Divine Dreams, and one of the dreams seen on 28 Feb, 2017 last year is happening to be true now. In that dream, there was a fact mentioned that ".......He(Erdogan) is conquering Syria...." where as in Feb 2017 no one was even expecting Turkey to conquer any part of Syria but it happened to be true in January 2018. So this is not an imaginary thing, these dreams are not ordinary dreams, they are from the The Lord, God
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Welcome to DP, True Dreams. We all benefit from the presentation of different perspectives. We hope you find DP a congenial experience. ;)
 
WCH said:
Me too but, we are talking prophecies and/or dreams here.
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The Muslim voice is a refreshing addition to the dialogue here at DP. I commend the civil and intelligent engagement between Christianity and Islam in this thread under the rubric of "Beliefs and Skepticism." A creditable voice on behalf of Judaism would complete the ongoing dialogue of faiths. Of course, of the usual derision and dismissals from New Atheism the less said the better.

As WCH points out, we are discussing prophecies and dreams here. Outstanding! ;)
 
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