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Did the Exodus actually happen or is it just another myth?

Logicman said:
Hogwash. You don't know what you're talking about. You think you do, but you don't.
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Yet, for all your bluster, and vinegar, you are unable to refute that statement. You merely cut/pastes from people who give bad information, religious dogma, and bad opinion.
 
RAMOSS said:
Yet, for all your bluster, and vinegar, you are unable to refute that statement. You merely cut/pastes from people who give bad information, religious dogma, and bad opinion.
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Do you think someone's words on a screen mean anything, like what you write...well, guess what...it doesn't...you have to have documented evidence to back up what you're saying...that is what true refuting is all about, not just arguing back and forth which is a waste of time...SMH...
 
soylentgreen said:
History is a matter of cross reference. Being able to get more than one version of what happened. The stories of your bible however have little to cross reference with. There is no more evidence for the existence of moses than there is for jesus. You have one source and one only. A badly written book of fairy tales called a bible.
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That theory fails:

https://www.sciencealert.com/Jesus-brother-missing-text-bible-heretical

Of course since neither the document nor a translation are on the net, it doesn't exist according to one illiterate.

However, search, seek and thee shall find many other alternative sources to cross reference much of the Torah and the Second Testament.

"If one never looks, one does not see, one does not find, the forest for the trees." - Anonymous 7-8th century Prelude to the O'Margion transcripts (Margion was a monastery and town near what is today Clifden, County Galway, the monastery destroyed approximate during the early 10th cent. during Norman raids. The transcripts (handmade copies of the originals) discovered 1721 at the remains of an unknown named monastery in Dungarvan, County Waterford Ireland.)

Now, I expect an illiterate to accuse me of making this up. Perhaps the illiterate should listen to the Treasure of Ireland, but then again, he has no acquaintance with Gaelic, therefore the poetry would serve him no purpose.
 
Elvira said:
Do you think someone's words on a screen mean anything, like what you write...well, guess what...it doesn't...you have to have documented evidence to back up what you're saying...that is what true refuting is all about, not just arguing back and forth which is a waste of time...SMH...
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Well, my words have meaning. You may speak for yourself though. I find it interesting you use the mimic technique by repeating the 'evidence' I have put forth.. yet you are unable to provide evidence. Apparently, you have a confusion between what is evidence, and what is a claim.
 
RAMOSS said:
Well, my words have meaning. You may speak for yourself though. I find it interesting you use the mimic technique by repeating the 'evidence' I have put forth.. yet you are unable to provide evidence. Apparently, you have a confusion between what is evidence, and what is a claim.
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Apparently you have no idea what you're talking about...as usual...your words mean nothing...
 
OldFatGuy said:
BS.

Read Rosalind Franklin's autobiography and early papers of her radiology discoveries and why she decided to look in the first place. You are an illiterate, as you've again proven.
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Rosalind Franklin studied science in school. She did scientific research. She did what all scientists do. She studied and experimented and did the hard work. That is the root source of all science.

But I'm not really posting this, because I'm illiterate.
 
OldFatGuy said:
That theory fails:

https://www.sciencealert.com/Jesus-brother-missing-text-bible-heretical

Of course since neither the document nor a translation are on the net, it doesn't exist according to one illiterate.

However, search, seek and thee shall find many other alternative sources to cross reference much of the Torah and the Second Testament.

"If one never looks, one does not see, one does not find, the forest for the trees." - Anonymous 7-8th century Prelude to the O'Margion transcripts (Margion was a monastery and town near what is today Clifden, County Galway, the monastery destroyed approximate during the early 10th cent. during Norman raids. The transcripts (handmade copies of the originals) discovered 1721 at the remains of an unknown named monastery in Dungarvan, County Waterford Ireland.)

Now, I expect an illiterate to accuse me of making this up. Perhaps the illiterate should listen to the Treasure of Ireland, but then again, he has no acquaintance with Gaelic, therefore the poetry would serve him no purpose.
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So another book of religious writing was found. Not sure what theory failed here. Religious writings promote religious beliefs. So some had differing beliefs and wrote them down. No big thing.
 
Angel said:
Not tricked. Pressed for consistency, but not tricked.
That blast you feel is your own petard going off again underneath you.

Looky here.
If you had answered that the past is not real, then you would remain consistent with all your previous posts in other threads where you have claimed that reality is physical and delivered by our sensory experience. But then you would have found yourself in the middle of a thread (this one) posting authoritatively about unreality.

If you answer, as you have, that the past is real, then the inconsistency with all all your previous posts about physical reality being the only reality is glaring, and you'd be forced to return to tap dancing, which terpsichorean talent will no doubt be on display again should you be rash enough not to ignore this post in the hope that it will be forgotten by and by by others looking on.

Your reductive physicalism paints you into a corner once again. ;)
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devildavid said:
The past is physically real.
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Can you please provide me "the past" in a way that passes the "show me" test?
 
gfm7175 said:
Can you please provide me "the past" in a way that passes the "show me" test?
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devildavid said:
Look in the mirror.
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How is that showing me the past? Looking in the mirror shows me my present self in real time...

I ask once again, can you please provide me "the past"? Just hand it over to me; that's all I'm asking...
 
Angel said:
From you:

It's awkwardly expressed, to be sure, and it may not express some half-baked idea you briefly entertained, but the idiom to pass from means to leave, depart, or disappear; and "that which gone past from reality" -- despite the little remedial dance you're about to do -- suggests to any competent reader of English that you are saying that the past is unreal.

Sloppy Language = Sloppy Thought

Look to it.
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Why is it that something that has gone by must be unreal?

You are trying desperately to find a silly way of looking at it rather than any sloppy thinking on my part.

Having gone into the past does not change the fact that it was reality. No more than finishing a fiction book makes it any less a fiction.
 
OldFatGuy said:
That theory fails:

https://www.sciencealert.com/Jesus-brother-missing-text-bible-heretical

Of course since neither the document nor a translation are on the net, it doesn't exist according to one illiterate.

However, search, seek and thee shall find many other alternative sources to cross reference much of the Torah and the Second Testament.

"If one never looks, one does not see, one does not find, the forest for the trees." - Anonymous 7-8th century Prelude to the O'Margion transcripts (Margion was a monastery and town near what is today Clifden, County Galway, the monastery destroyed approximate during the early 10th cent. during Norman raids. The transcripts (handmade copies of the originals) discovered 1721 at the remains of an unknown named monastery in Dungarvan, County Waterford Ireland.)

Now, I expect an illiterate to accuse me of making this up. Perhaps the illiterate should listen to the Treasure of Ireland, but then again, he has no acquaintance with Gaelic, therefore the poetry would serve him no purpose.
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A quote from your link

Traced back to anywhere between the 2nd and 6th century CE, they are of a heretical tradition described as Gnosticism – an early, rather mystical form of Christianity.
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So basically not any direct evidence of jesus but simply another person copying what was already copied from others who have no direct experience.
If i show you a reprint of sherlock holmes you would be convinced by that that he existed.
 
soylentgreen said:
Why is it that something that has gone by must be unreal?

You are trying desperately to find a silly way of looking at it rather than any sloppy thinking on my part.

Having gone into the past does not change the fact that it was reality. No more than finishing a fiction book makes it any less a fiction.
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You did not say "gone by" or "gone into" -- you said "gone past from reality." So please cut short the predicted remedial dance and acknowledge you were not clear in your wording and answer the question straightforwardly yes or no: Is the past real?
 
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soylentgreen said:
A quote from your link


So basically not any direct evidence of jesus but simply another person copying what was already copied from others who have no direct experience.
If i show you a reprint of sherlock holmes you would be convinced by that that he existed.
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So, only a first person narrative would satisfy you? Good to know you believe every word coming out of Trump's mouth.

As I said earlier, Phillip Jose Farmer has convinced many Sherlock is real, immortal, and related to Lord Greystroke, Doc Savage and others. More truth in fiction.....
 
soylentgreen said:
Why is it that something that has gone by must be unreal?

You are trying desperately to find a silly way of looking at it rather than any sloppy thinking on my part.

Having gone into the past does not change the fact that it was reality. No more than finishing a fiction book makes it any less a fiction.
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I think you missed the point once again...not all things that are real are tangible...like the past and God, for instance...
 
Visbek said:
Based on the archaeological evidence, it's a myth.

I'm sure there is some sort of historical reality behind it, e.g. an early tribe of Jews was most likely driven from their homes, and wandered the desert briefly looking for a new settlement.

The archaeological/historical reality doesn't change my views.
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There are historical and enough writings that there was a people that were slaves in Egypt. While they did not call themselves israel yet they were still in the area.
We are also talking about the golden age of the egyptian empire. There was huge growth in the empire and they would need massive amount of labor.

it also couldn't be paid labor it would be way to expensive. So they would need massive amounts of slave labor.
Exodus was written by moses himself. So he was an eyewitness to the events.
 
gfm7175 said:
How is that showing me the past? Looking in the mirror shows me my present self in real time...

I ask once again, can you please provide me "the past"? Just hand it over to me; that's all I'm asking...
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Where did the present you come from?
 
Elvira said:
I think you missed the point once again...not all things that are real are tangible...like the past and God, for instance...
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The past is not a thing. God is a thing, just like a rutabaga.
 
OldFatGuy said:
So, only a first person narrative would satisfy you? Good to know you believe every word coming out of Trump's mouth.

As I said earlier, Phillip Jose Farmer has convinced many Sherlock is real, immortal, and related to Lord Greystroke, Doc Savage and others. More truth in fiction.....
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How does this demonstrate that there is more truth in fiction?
 
OldFatGuy said:
BS.

Read Rosalind Franklin's autobiography and early papers of her radiology discoveries and why she decided to look in the first place. You are an illiterate, as you've again proven.
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It finally hit me. You took an anecdote from Rosalind Franklin's autobiography and applied it too broadly to science as a universal. She was but one contributor to the discovery of DNA. So no, one work of fiction read by one woman did not lead to that discovery. And she still had to go through the hard work of science. Being inspired by something is not the same as the inspiration leading directly to a particular result. And it took multiple scientists, and probably many assistants, to do the work.
 
devildavid said:
The past is not a thing. God is a thing, just like a rutabaga.
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God is a spirit, which any imbecile knows cannot be seen with the fleshly eye...
 
devildavid said:
It finally hit me. You took an anecdote from Rosalind Franklin's autobiography and applied it too broadly to science as a universal. She was but one contributor to the discovery of DNA. So no, one work of fiction read by one woman did not lead to that discovery. And she still had to go through the hard work of science. Being inspired by something is not the same as the inspiration leading directly to a particular result. And it took multiple scientists, and probably many assistants, to do the work.
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Hit yourself again. Read her autobiography before commenting. There is no question. She is the single person, working alone, who discovered proofs of the existence of DNA and RNA. You, as usual, have no idea of what you are speaking about. No understanding.
 
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