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"What Prayer Is Good For — and the Evidence for It"

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Social psychologist Clay Routledge says that rather than being a substitute for data-based solutions, prayer is a personal resource that complements other thoughtful action.

Professor Routledge cites the Pew "Religious Landscape Study," which indicates that over half of Americans pray daily, that prayer is not exclusive to those with a particular religious affiliation, and that prayer is bipartisan, with roughly the same percent of Democrats praying as Republicans.
Frequency of prayer - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics | Pew Research Center

There is evidence that prayer is not a distraction but instead helps to focus attention, which I’ve said in another thread has been my own experience: https://www.debatepolitics.com/beli...s-and-calling-god-card-15.html#post1068335305

From the cited study’s article abstract:

Thus, at least for people most likely to engage in religious behavior, praying about a problem appeared to liberate cognitive resources that are presumably otherwise consumed by worry and rumination, leaving individuals better able to process other information, and additionally to bias attention to favor detection of problem-relevant information. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/2153599X.2016.1206612?journalCode=rrbb20&

Here is the link to another abstract on faith increasing self-control:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19210054

Dr. Routledge provides links to other studies about prayer reducing unhealthy behaviors and strengthening social bonds. He concludes with [bolding mine]:

There is little evidence that most believers use faith as a substitute for other evidence-based solutions to problems. Of course, a small minority of religious extremists do reject modern medicine and other science-based approaches. But most believers do not perceive their personal faith and science to be in conflict. Pew finds, for instance, that religion is strongly related to views on only a few specific science-relevant topics, particularly evolution and the creation of the universe. And religious people’s thoughts on evolution are more diverse than many realize. The more religiously observant Americans are, Pew finds, the less likely they are to view science and religion as antagonistic. In academia and progressive media, the most vocal attacks on science are certainly not coming from the devoutly religious. Both secular and religious ideologies can influence people’s willingness to dispassionately consider evidence. This is a human problem, not one specific to religious believers.

Tackling the many pressing social and personal problems Americans face requires action guided by focused deliberation and empirical evidence, and most of our nation’s problems are complex. People might disagree on what the evidence shows about any given issue and how best to respond, but few reject the idea that evidence is important. For most believers, prayer isn’t a substitute for data-based solutions. It is a personal resource that complements and may even help facilitate other thoughtful action. https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/what-prayer-is-good-for-and-the-evidence-for-it/

*Who is Clay Routledge?

Clay Routledge’s bio at the James G. Martin Center for Academic Renewal:

Dr. Clay Routledge is a social psychologist and professor of psychology at North Dakota State University. His research focuses on the many ways that people gain and maintain perceptions of meaning in life and how these perceptions contribute to psychological and physical health. He has published over 90 scholarly papers, co-edited a book on the psychology of meaning, and authored the book Nostalgia: A Psychological Resource. He was also a contributing author for the books The Walking Dead Psychology: Psych of the Living Dead, Star Wars Psychology: Dark Side of the Mind, and Star Trek Psychology: The Mental Frontier. His research has been funded by the National Science Foundation, the John Templeton Foundation, and the Society for the Scientific Study of Religion. Dr. Routledge’s work has been featured by many media outlets such as the New York Times, CBS News, ABC News, BBC News, CNN, MSNBC, Men’s Health, the Atlantic, and the New Yorker. Dr. Routledge writes a popular online column for Psychology Today called More Than Mortal, has served as a guest blogger for Scientific American, and frequently serves as a guest expert for national and international radio programs. https://www.jamesgmartin.center/author/clayroutledge/
 
"The sovereign cure for worry is prayer."
--William James


Science, after a hundred years, is finally getting around to it.

Beyond Belief
Research is sounding the depths of the connections between spiritual practice and biomedicine

One concept he had been pondering was whether a person’s religious beliefs might affect treatment outcomes. He decided to find out....

The findings surprised Rosmarin. Not only was a belief in God strongly correlated with positive treatment outcomes—the stronger the belief, the better the recovery—but the intensity of the belief in God also paralleled the degree of hope placed in therapeutic interventions. Stated another way, the findings, reported in the October 2012 online issue of the Journal of Affective Disorders, showed that nearly all the atheists in the study felt their treatments would fail.
Beyond Belief | Harvard Medicine Magazine


Prayer and subjective well-being: An examination
of six different types of prayer

http://thekeep.eiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1030&context=psych_fac
 
I say the "Our Father" a few times a week. Saying it gets me by.
 
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C.S. Lewis (1898-1963)

The Efficacy of Prayer

http://www.fellowshipconway.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/C.S.-Lewis-Efficacy-of-Prayer.pdf
 

What a wonderful early-morning read; thank you for posting this link. Lewis repeats Pope's argument in "Essay on Man" (Epistle I) about presuming not God to span and why the proper study of mankind is man: We are limited by our reasoning.

From your link:

All that we say on such subjects must be merely analogical and parabolic. The reality is doubtless not comprehensible by our faculties. But we can at any rate try to expel bad analogies and bad parables. Prayer is not a machine. It is not magic. It is not advice offered to God. Our act, when we pray, must not, any more than all our other acts, be separated from the continuous act of God Himself, in which alone all finite causes operate.

Lewis refers twice to the refused prayer at Gethsemane. This is a truth to contemplate.
 
The placebo effect. People think others are looking out for them they think theyw ill get better, the power of the mind makes improvements.

Those that do not know they are being prayed did not have this placebo effect. Same as if you were given a sugar pill and told it was the cure, you'd get better
 
The placebo effect. People think others are looking out for them they think theyw ill get better, the power of the mind makes improvements.

Those that do not know they are being prayed did not have this placebo effect. Same as if you were given a sugar pill and told it was the cure, you'd get better

The placebo effect has very limited efficacy.
 
The benefits of prayer are real...

Benefits of Prayer
Peace of mind “Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving, let your petitions be made known to God; and the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your mental powers by means of Christ Jesus.”​—Philippians 4:6, 7.

Comfort from God “Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our trials.”​—2 Corinthians 1:3, 4.

Guidance to make wise decisions “If any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching, and it will be given him.”​—James 1:5.

Help to avoid temptation “Carry on prayer so that you do not enter into temptation.”​—Luke 22:40.

Forgiveness of sins “If my people on whom my name has been called humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn away from their evil ways, then I will hear from the heavens and forgive their sin.”​—2 Chronicles 7:14.

A way to help others “A righteous man’s supplication has a powerful effect.”​—James 5:16.

Encouragement when prayers are answered “Jehovah said to him [Solomon]: ‘I have heard your prayer and your request for favor that you made before me.’”​—1 Kings 9:3.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015727?q=benefits+of+prayer&p=par
 
It is basic zen philosophy. There is no difference between chanting a mantra or praying. Both have the same effect. The only difference is a prayer is addressed to a focal point other than one self.
 
It is basic zen philosophy. There is no difference between chanting a mantra or praying. Both have the same effect. The only difference is a prayer is addressed to a focal point other than one self.

I think Jesus would disagree with you...

"When praying, do not say the same things over and over again as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words." Matt. 6:7
 
So someone has scientifically figured out the difference between prayer and merely thinking. Riiiiiiiiiiight!

There is no science going on in these "studies".
 
I think Jesus would disagree with you...

"When praying, do not say the same things over and over again as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words." Matt. 6:7

I am not saying that prayers and mantras are exactly the same. I am saying they have the same effect. You would not use a mantra as a prayer nor a prayer as a mantra. But in the end if either bring a calmness or feeling of well being then the effect is the same.
 
So someone has scientifically figured out the difference between prayer and merely thinking. Riiiiiiiiiiight!

There is no science going on in these "studies".
What are you on about, man? Science itself is a prayer!

Open your mind.

Deepen your outlook.

Read Whitman.

Listen to Mahler.

Think, Feel, Pray.

Namaste.
 
What are you on about, man? Science itself is a prayer!

Open your mind.

Deepen your outlook.

Read Whitman.

Listen to Mahler.

Think, Feel, Pray.

Namaste.

Science is a method, not a prayer by any definition of the word prayer.
Enjoying the arts has no connection to prayer or science. I enjoy the arts and I use scientific methodology when looking at reality. I feel emotions; I use the scientific method. I can do both without mixing one up with the other.
 
Science is a method, not a prayer by any definition of the word prayer.
Enjoying the arts has no connection to prayer or science. I enjoy the arts and I use scientific methodology when looking at reality. I feel emotions; I use the scientific method. I can do both without mixing one up with the other.
Science employs a method in petitioning nature for answers to its prayer of a theory of everything.
The arts are also prayers.
Your shortfall in understanding is scarcely an argument against holistic thought.

Namaste.
 
Science employs a method in petitioning nature for answers to its prayer of a theory of everything.
The arts are also prayers.
Your shortfall in understanding is scarcely an argument against holistic thought.

Namaste.

Science observes, measures, tests, over and over and over. It does not pray to nature, it examines physical reality in order to determine what it us composed of and how it functions. The insights of science change every minute of every day as more is learned.

The arts are personal human expressions made for various reasons. They result in physical creations that other humans take in physically and have various emotional reactions to.

What's next? Is growing rutabagas prayer as well?
 
Science observes, measures, tests, over and over and over. It does not pray to nature, it examines physical reality in order to determine what it us composed of and how it functions. The insights of science change every minute of every day as more is learned.

The arts are personal human expressions made for various reasons. They result in physical creations that other humans take in physically and have various emotional reactions to.

What's next? Is growing rutabagas prayer as well?
As I said your limited understanding of the human condition is not an argument of any cogency.
It's all prayer, including agriculture, yes.
 
The placebo effect has very limited efficacy.

Don't underestimate it. If it creates a positive attitude, that can be helpful in some situations. If you jump off a cliff and pray for god's hand to catch you and put you down safely, I don't think so. If believing helps to to work more positively through a difficult situation, then I think it's very useful - provided the prayed for outcome is realistic.

I have prayed for friends who were believers and asked me to do so. Did it help? I can never remember the proper format for Christian prayer anyway, so ???
 
Don't underestimate it. If it creates a positive attitude, that can be helpful in some situations. If you jump off a cliff and pray for god's hand to catch you and put you down safely, I don't think so. If believing helps to to work more positively through a difficult situation, then I think it's very useful - provided the prayed for outcome is realistic.

I have prayed for friends who were believers and asked me to do so. Did it help? I can never remember the proper format for Christian prayer anyway, so ???

Don't overestimate it. We can't think ourselves out of terminal illnesses. We can't pray for our limbs to regrow. There is a lot of propaganda and misinformation about the placebo effect. It is not what some people seem to think it is. There is no real scientific data that supports it.
 
As I said your limited understanding of the human condition is not an argument of any cogency.
It's all prayer, including agriculture, yes.

No, that is not what prayer is. Otherwise, we can take any word and make it mean whatever we want, rendering coherent debate impossible. I know as much about the human condition as you, seeing we are both human.
 
Prayer brings some people solace, reassurance, hope, and most of all, peace.

I do not begrudge anyone for taking any comfort in life they can find. And if prayer works to achieve those ends, more power to ya.

Any port in a storm.

Whatever gets you through the night.

Peace y'all.
 
Don't overestimate it. We can't think ourselves out of terminal illnesses. We can't pray for our limbs to regrow. There is a lot of propaganda and misinformation about the placebo effect. It is not what some people seem to think it is. There is no real scientific data that supports it.

But we can pray for the strength to endure those obstacles, all the while remaining faithful to God and He supplies that strength...that is what many throughout the Bible prayed for, including Jesus...we can and are commanded to pray in line with God's will to be done...
 
But we can pray for the strength to endure those obstacles, all the while remaining faithful to God and He supplies that strength...that is what many throughout the Bible prayed for, including Jesus...we can and are commanded to pray in line with God's will to be done...

We either have the strength or we don't. It comes from ourselves.
 
We either have the strength or we don't. It comes from ourselves.

Not true...I have experienced it, as I am sure almost every Christian has at one time or another in their lifetime...

"7. However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not from us.

8 We are hard-pressed in every way, but not cramped beyond movement; we are perplexed, but not absolutely with no way out;

9 we are persecuted, but not abandoned; we are knocked down, but not destroyed.

10 Always we endure in our body the death-dealing treatment that Jesus suffered, that the life of Jesus may also be made manifest in our body. " 2 Cor. 4:7-10

"May the God who gives hope fill you with all joy and peace by your trusting in him, so that you may abound in hope with power of holy spirit." Rom. 15:13
 
Not true...I have experienced it, as I am sure almost every Christian has at one time or another in their lifetime...

"7. However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not from us.

8 We are hard-pressed in every way, but not cramped beyond movement; we are perplexed, but not absolutely with no way out;

9 we are persecuted, but not abandoned; we are knocked down, but not destroyed.

10 Always we endure in our body the death-dealing treatment that Jesus suffered, that the life of Jesus may also be made manifest in our body. " 2 Cor. 4:7-10

"May the God who gives hope fill you with all joy and peace by your trusting in him, so that you may abound in hope with power of holy spirit." Rom. 15:13

And I have experienced inner strength. How can you distinguish between the two?
 
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