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The Resurrection

RAMOSS said:
There is a lot of testimonial evidence of big foot, the loch ness monster, and green eyed monsters from outer spaces kidnapping people too. It doesn't make it real.
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Your argument commits a basic logical fallacy.
 
calamity said:
The Bible is far from "historically accurate." It's accuracy is not even on par with a well-written histrical romance novel. But, it certainly is a fairly decent book of fables.
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What sort of connection do you postulate as holding between historical accuracy and the existence of spirit? If there were no historical record of anything, how would the existence of spirit, which is metaphysical and ontological question, be affected in the least?
 
calamity said:
The Bible is far from "historically accurate." It's accuracy is not even on par with a well-written histrical romance novel. But, it certainly is a fairly decent book of fables.
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Okay, but no comments on the fact that most religions focus on a spiritual realm? Or that our consciences (and our dreams, mind, "will") are all non-physical?
 
Angel said:
What sort of connection do you postulate as holding between historical accuracy and the existence of spirit? If there were no historical record of anything, how would the existence of spirit, which is metaphysical and ontological question, be affected in the least?
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If a book is to be taken serious, it should at least be accurate.
 
gfm7175 said:
Okay, but no comments on the fact that most religions focus on a spiritual realm? Or that our consciences (and our dreams, mind, "will") are all non-physical?
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So? Just because "idea" exists does not mean all ideas are valid.
 
calamity said:
Angel said:
calamity said:
The Bible is far from "historically accurate." It's accuracy is not even on par with a well-written histrical romance novel. But, it certainly is a fairly decent book of fables.
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What sort of connection do you postulate as holding between historical accuracy and the existence of spirit? If there were no historical record of anything, how would the existence of spirit, which is metaphysical and ontological question, be affected in the least?
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If a book is to be taken serious, it should at least be accurate.
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Every book? All books? Joyce's Ulysses? Kant's Critique of Pure Reason? Eliot's The Waste Land? Is the seriousness with which these books are taken related to your category of "accuracy"?
 
gfm7175 said:
Okay, but no comments on the fact that most religions focus on a spiritual realm? Or that our consciences (and our dreams, mind, "will") are all non-physical?
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Everything is physical.
 
Angel said:
RAMOSS said:
There is a lot of testimonial evidence of big foot, the loch ness monster, and green eyed monsters from outer spaces kidnapping people too. It doesn't make it real.
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Your argument commits a basic logical fallacy.
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Do you recognize the fallacy? This spurious argument is made so frequently and has gone unchallenged for so long since the New Atheist gurus popularized it that it may not appear at a glance as obvious as it most certainly is.
 
Angel said:
Every book? All books? Joyce's Ulysses? Kant's Critique of Pure Reason? Eliot's The Waste Land? Is the seriousness with which these books are taken related to your category of "accuracy"?
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How many people take Homer's "Iliad" as anything but fiction? Why the Bible is treated any differently beats the **** out of me.
 
gfm7175 said:
Okay, but no comments on the fact that most religions focus on a spiritual realm? Or that our consciences (and our dreams, mind, "will") are all non-physical?
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Can you show that this spiritual realm is something more than a cultural interpretation of emotional experiences that are strictly generated by the biochemical and neurological actions of the brain?
 
calamity said:
Why would it be sad? The god thing is one of the greatest mysteries in life. Certainly something worth exploring, especially for the skeptic.
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What more is there for you to explore? Your OP mocked it, and has already dismissed it (resurrection) - you're saying, there's nothing to explore! You said this, refresh your memory:


What is it about this Zombie Jesus story that makes it so appealing? Do you people really want to go on "living" for eternity? Do you have any idea how long that is?

Me, I look forward to death, if only for the chance to finally find some peace and quiet. The last thing I want is to spend forever and a day with a bunch of Bible thumpers. Good grief, can anyone think of a worse way to spend eternity than with the Jerry Falwells and Ted Cruzes of the world?

Anyway, take away the resurrection bull****, and that whole Jesus story starts to be really compelling.
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:roll:

Youve got quite a short memory there, and it seems you don't even realize what you're saying. You're flippin' around more than a live fish in the frying pan. You sound like a crackpot!
You're not getting ahead of your best laid plan, and had already been dipping into the crack, are you? ;)


Speaking of zombies - isn't that kinda poetic and ironic?

From a Christian perspective, you are the walking dead! :lol:
 
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Originally Posted by calamity
What is it about this Zombie Jesus story that makes it so appealing?
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My imagination is running wild here.....still on the zombies analogy.

Really, if there is anything that compares to zombies....it would be non-believers, especially atheists!

Existing simply for the purpose of gorging on materialism - something you can't take with you when you blink out from existence - what kind of life is that? Most of the day is spent slaving away, working! For what?


It's like zombies trying to satisfy an insatiable hunger!








Of course, this is from a Christian perspective.
 
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Originally Posted by calamity
What is it about this Zombie Jesus story that makes it so appealing?
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Still on the zombies analogy:

There is rotting, too. We just don't see it visibly, but they are there.
They come in different forms. Mostly, they manifest as depressions.
And therapists make lucrative career out of them!

And, there are invisible wounds!
When someone start thinking of suicide.....or checking out from this world........
.......or, going on a killing spree before ending it all.....

.........man, that must be really a deep gash on one's psyche.
 
Originally Posted by calamity
What is it about this Zombie Jesus story that makes it so appealing?
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Of course, when I said "you are the walking dead," I meant it more like from a movie scene when someone says, "you're a dead man."
The death I meant, isn't of the physical kind. It's the second death.
 
RAMOSS said:
Can you show that this spiritual realm is something more than a cultural interpretation of emotional experiences that are strictly generated by the biochemical and neurological actions of the brain?
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You demand of religion a demonstration that lies outside human behavioral response, outside human culture, and outside human brain activity. If this is not an unreasonable demand on your part, then will you please offer us an example of something -- anything -- in your universe of discourse that meets all three of your requirements?
 
calamity said:
Angel said:
calamity said:
Angel said:
calamity said:
The Bible is far from "historically accurate." It's accuracy is not even on par with a well-written histrical romance novel. But, it certainly is a fairly decent book of fables.
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What sort of connection do you postulate as holding between historical accuracy and the existence of spirit? If there were no historical record of anything, how would the existence of spirit, which is metaphysical and ontological question, be affected in the least?
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If a book is to be taken serious, it should at least be accurate.
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Every book? All books? Joyce's Ulysses? Kant's Critique of Pure Reason? Eliot's The Waste Land? Is the seriousness with which these books are taken related to your category of "accuracy"?
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How many people take Homer's "Iliad" as anything but fiction? Why the Bible is treated any differently beats the **** out of me.
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If we replace "accuracy" with "what does not beat the hell out of calamity" as the criterion of seriousness in literature, then your point-of-view is beyond challenge, yes?
 
calamity said:
Today being Easter, everyone is celebrating something. But, many are celebrating something that probably didn't happen. Of course, I refer to the resurrection.

What is it about this Zombie Jesus story that makes it so appealing? Do you people really want to go on "living" for eternity? Do you have any idea how long that is?

Me, I look forward to death, if only for the chance to finally find some peace and quiet. The last thing I want is to spend forever and a day with a bunch of Bible thumpers. Good grief, can anyone think of a worse way to spend eternity than with the Jerry Falwells and Ted Cruzes of the world?

Anyway, take away the resurrection bull****, and that whole Jesus story starts to be really compelling. Love your neighbor; forgive people for their transgressions against you; spend a minute thinking of the plight of others; find god within yourself; piss on false prophets and be wary of ever joining in on a mob screaming "Crucify Him!" Good stuff, all of it.

Happy Easter. We're going to grill some salmon and eat butternut squash soup. :)
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Basing it from your other thread in which you revealed that you've been praying, and also I still see that you're fighting an inner conflict within you - a part of you want to believe, but there is also a part that still resists -

let me share a portion of a testimony that was given by a prominent figure of the LGBT movement. Please, pay close attention to the highlighted segment:




The spirit of God spoke directly into my soul and said

you will choose this day who you will serve and if you make the wrong choice, I will allow you to drift so far away from me that you will never hear my voice again.


I gave God my heart and soul in the parking lot of the mall, right there in my car.
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I seriously think, God is reaching out to you. Perhaps you need to be still.....to be in a quiet place.....to listen.
It's one thing to have doubts, or not to believe. But I think, it's quite another, to be mocking.



Galatians 6

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
 
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calamity said:
Today being Easter, everyone is celebrating something. But, many are celebrating something that probably didn't happen. Of course, I refer to the resurrection.

What is it about this Zombie Jesus story that makes it so appealing? Do you people really want to go on "living" for eternity? Do you have any idea how long that is?

Me, I look forward to death, if only for the chance to finally find some peace and quiet. The last thing I want is to spend forever and a day with a bunch of Bible thumpers. Good grief, can anyone think of a worse way to spend eternity than with the Jerry Falwells and Ted Cruzes of the world?

Anyway, take away the resurrection bull****, and that whole Jesus story starts to be really compelling. Love your neighbor; forgive people for their transgressions against you; spend a minute thinking of the plight of others; find god within yourself; piss on false prophets and be wary of ever joining in on a mob screaming "Crucify Him!" Good stuff, all of it.

Happy Easter. We're going to grill some salmon and eat butternut squash soup. :)
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Jesus was not a zombie
Know your undead people!
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Quag said:
Jesus was not a zombie
Know your undead people!
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A case perchance of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons underpinning a gamer's bona fides if not his sense of humor decades later in the campaign.
 
Angel said:
A case perchance of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons underpinning a gamer's bona fides if not his sense of humor decades later in the campaign.
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Hey D&D is a good way to pass time on a rainy day
Besides if you dont have a sense of humour its gonna be hard to enjoy life ;)
 
Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
Okay, but no comments on the fact that most religions focus on a spiritual realm? Or that our consciences (and our dreams, mind, "will") are all non-physical?

calamity said:
So? Just because "idea" exists does not mean all ideas are valid.
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While the fact that most religions believe in a spiritual realm doesn't mean that it exists, it does show that there is definitely an established viewpoint that has not died out over thousands of years, which is at least worth giving honest thought to (if not found to be convincing in and of itself).

I think the existence of our consciences (and our "will") [which are both non-physical, but yet very real things, is proof enough of a spiritual realm [a realm that we can't see through the lens of the "physical"].
 
RAMOSS said:
Can you show that this spiritual realm is something more than a cultural interpretation of emotional experiences that are strictly generated by the biochemical and neurological actions of the brain?
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Do you have a conscience? Do you have a "will"?
If so, are those physical things?
 
gfm7175 said:
Do you have a conscience? Do you have a "will"?
If so, are those physical things?
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They are emergent qualities from biochemical and neurological actions within the brain, so their basis is purely physical.
 
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