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God is Dead

RAMOSS said:
If it is a question from Angel, I have had Angel on ignore for months, so I have not seen any question about the Torah...
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Well, that's convenient, if nothing else. And you're here to discuss and debate, yes? ;)
This thread was started by Angel. So you never even read the OP.

Namaste.
 
gfm7175 said:
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Now, if you would address the questions concerning the Torah that Angel noticed you're ignoring, I would be ever grateful...
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Thanks for forcing the issue, gfm.
What sort of interlocutor comes to a debate forum and puts others on Ignore!
 
RAMOSS said:
That point is.. you do not know who wrote the gospels. You know who the gospels are attributed to, but you do not know who wrote them. Not only that.. I can use strictly Christian theologians to make that point. I can even avoid bishop spong, and not use Bart Erhman at all with my references.
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That point is...it doesn't look like anyone cares what you think you can prove...
 
Angel said:
Well, that's convenient, if nothing else. And you're here to discuss and debate, yes? ;)
This thread was started by Angel. So you never even read the OP.

Namaste.
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Yet he trapses into every thread you start...amazing...SMH...
 
Elvira said:
That point is...it doesn't look like anyone cares what you think you can prove...
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When people make bad claims, and lie, then I am going to call them on it. That means when people lie about what the evidence is..I am going to challenge them on it. If you want to keep looking bad, by all means, ignore the challenge and keep on showing off you don't know what you are talking about.
 
RAMOSS said:
If it is a question from Angel, I have had Angel on ignore for months, so I have not seen any question about the Torah. When it comes to the concerning Jesus's death, and burial, and post-mortum appearance.... let's see your non-biblical sources for those... Can you show any that are indeed independent of the Christian scriptures? None of the standard ones (Pliney, Tacitus) are independent, and the passages in Josephus are insertions
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All your questions are answered here...

https://crossexamined.org/quick-case-jesus-resurrection/
 
RAMOSS said:
When people make bad claims, and lie, then I am going to call them on it. That means when people lie about what the evidence is..I am going to challenge them on it. If you want to keep looking bad, by all means, ignore the challenge and keep on showing off you don't know what you are talking about.
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lol...you pose no challenge to any believer here...
 
Angel said:
Thanks for forcing the issue, gfm.
What sort of interlocutor comes to a debate forum and puts others on Ignore!
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One not confident in his positions apparently...
 
RAMOSS said:
When people make bad claims, and lie, then I am going to call them on it. That means when people lie about what the evidence is..I am going to challenge them on it. If you want to keep looking bad, by all means, ignore the challenge and keep on showing off you don't know what you are talking about.[bold mine]
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"Ignore the challenge" indeed. ;)
 
RAMOSS said:
I do all the time... Some people appear to be oblivious to themselves though ..
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No, I don't think you do...you have no idea how you come off...
 
RAMOSS said:
And what about that do you find convicning? Can you show that you have read that, and understand it, and know what the objections to it are? Sorry..raw links just don't cut it.
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Every single point is quite convincing... I could have typed a similar thing out for you, but why take the time when a link sums it all up quite well. There is definitely evidence for it.
 
gfm7175 said:
Every single point is quite convincing... I could have typed a similar thing out for you, but why take the time when a link sums it all up quite well. There is definitely evidence for it.
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Only if you want to believe. TO me, the whole resurrection story has one big missing element. That is the 'plausibility' element. I don't view the stories as an historical event. I also think you are vastly exaggerating the evidence.
 
gfm7175 said:
Would you record, in public writing, truly embarrassing things about yourself, your peers, and your "Messiah"?
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Far from it...men are known for their "big fish" tales...:2razz:
 
RAMOSS said:
Only if you want to believe. TO me, the whole resurrection story has one big missing element. That is the 'plausibility' element. I don't view the stories as an historical event. I also think you are vastly exaggerating the evidence.
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What's not "plausible" about it?

If it was done on multiple occasions, then it wouldn't be nearly as "noteworthy" as it is, and you and I are currently living in the greatest miracle to ever happen, so any other miracle (such as resurrection) is definitely possible.
 
gfm7175 said:
What's not "plausible" about it?

If it was done on multiple occasions, then it wouldn't be nearly as "noteworthy" as it is, and you and I are currently living in the greatest miracle to ever happen, so any other miracle (such as resurrection) is definitely possible.
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Can you show how someone who is physically dead for 3 days come back to life??
 
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